How good were the 2010-2013 Ferraris relative to the 1997-1999 Ferraris

Hard to say since the 2010 Ferrari was actualy pretty competitive, as was where the 97 to 99 Ferraris, the 2011 , 2012 where clearly inferior, while the 2013 car was pretty good before Pirelli changed the tyres....

 

Difficult to say. Those days, testing were unlimited, and there were more freedom. Today, or recently, its the damn tyres that took over the sport.

 

And now engines?

All the best,
Andrew.

 

The 99 car was good enough to win a championship in. A crash prevented that though.

98 was a challenger in Schumachers hands, but realistically still behind the Mclaren's.

The 97 wasn't very good, and the Williams was rather excellent. Schumi came very close...

96 was just a terrible car, and only showed Schumachers' utter brilliance. IMO the F14t was it's equivalent.

Whats funny about this is that When Schumacher joined Ferrari it went from terrible to increasingly better. When Alonso joined, it went from a worthy challenger to terrible. More evidence RE his inability to give feedback on what he really wants from the car once told by his manager/teamboss? Fantastically quick driver but not got the knack for feedback...?

 

Actually the 1999 car won itself a Championship. Irvine on the other hand didn't.

 

MS had the benefit of what is widely regarded as 'the dream team'....Alonso had the benefit of a bunch of dambasses helping him.

 

Dream team, yes. Alonso had Aldo Costa who has done pretty well at Merc so far.

 

Alonso had him for one season, which funnily was the car was the most competitive. The F10

 

2010-2011-2012 is 3 seasons.

 

Costa was gone half-way in 2011, although much of the 11' design was with Nicholas and he's been the real toxic with the trucks Ferrari have been producing. Costa had no influence on the 2012 car and by then Costa was a Mercedes at the start of 2012.

 

Not at all. F1 was completely different during Alonso's time at Ferrari than it was for Schumi at Ferrari. I'd say it was a rules change to ban in season testing that became Ferrari's undoing. They had constant problems with their wind tunnel and new parts seemed to rarely work. As for an "inability to give feedback," Alonso became the test driver for Renault in 2002, became a race driver in 2003, and that team got steadily faster with each passing year, culminating in back to back WDC/WCC winning seasons in 2005 and 2006. McLaren won zero races in 2006 yet won 8 in 2007 after Alonso joined. Renault won zero races after he left in 2007 yet returned to winning in 2008 after returned, etc.

By the way, Ferrari was terrible in 2009 right before Alonso joined. He took over and they were a few points from a championship the following year, winning 5 races. Then Red Bull figured out the blown diffuser and the rest is history.

 

Bas is just trying to rip Alonso as usual. Don't bother him with facts.

 

I wouldn't call them dumbasses at all. You see Merc had 1100 engineers working on their PU over the last 3 years and Ferrari had 250 because the management structure was way to thick, protective and conservative, everyone more worried about keeping their jobs than building the fast car. It's not the engineering folks, and I can say that, I know them and work with some of them..

 

Actually the wind tunnel problems came from a lack of investment by upper management, which led to the downfall of the car's aero and then with the switch to the new V6 and ERS PU's with only 250 engineers and working staff in a heavy laden management structure the wheels finally came off the car. From there it has all been finger pointing and politics and some of my dear friends got caught up in the politics and fired, Luca Marmorini being one of those. Without Alonso in the car these last few years, the team wouldn't have even been close to winning, he's what has kept us respectable during that time. The sad part is the mechanics and crew end up catching most of the flack at the races and they can only race what is sent to them.... I happen to know first hand their frustration as every one of them are my friends, from Max F in hospitality all the way down to Mimmo, Pippo, etc.. who keep the car running.

 

Yep.

 

Ldm is the one that didn't manage the team very well . The clown hack lawyer is the one that pushed micheal out the door he had no plan to move the team forward . Ross had a plan at his team bring micheal back to move the car forward and help find money to run the team and hire the right people to design and development the car . THEN SALE IT to someone and move on . Costa is epic he did alot of the work 2004 . 05 was mis because or the tire rules 2006 car was great 07 was easy 08 car great 09 car was fine . The first person that ross went after talking micheal back was costa . In 1996 more teams had better cars and more money money that 2014 and in 2014 they were the worst run team in f1 . but I still think the best part or 2014 was clown hack lawyer tell everyone in the press on Friday at Monza that I'm the greatest and I'm going no where

 

I think you underestimate the influence of Piero Ferrari in the retirement of Michael. Montezemolo was the man in front but Piero works in quiet and mysterious ways. Don't think he isn't in the back ground making the current situation happen either. As for Aldo heading to Merc, Ross wanted him of course but it was easy when Stefano needed a scape goat to hand to Montezemolo for not winning the championship but eventually he ran out of sacrifices, Piero figured out the lay of the land and between Johnny Elkann, Sergio and Piero they decided it was time to stir the pot and rebuild instead of just talking about it. Having worked for Mr. M myself, I can tell you he can motivate you to work far above your level in life. Stefano was a great at logistics but not a motivator such as Flavio, or Mr. M. Luca Marmorini is another guy who can get you to work far above your level, I know from personal experience, but of course he was also sacrificed..