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  1. MalibuGuy

    MalibuGuy F1 Veteran

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    Formula 1 needs to enlist more great marques to the sport!

    Porsche
    Lamborghini
    Ford
    AUDI
    BMW
    TOYOTA
    TATA
    ROLLS ROYCE
     
  2. SPEEDCORE

    SPEEDCORE Four Time F1 World Champ

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    I'd rather they fix the sport so it's a lot more closer at the front over having new teams.
     
  3. DGS

    DGS Six Time F1 World Champ
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    #3 DGS, Mar 15, 2015
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    The problem is that Mad Max chased the real manufacturers: Honda, Toyota, Jaguar, BMW, etc., out, in favor of tiny little teams that FOM could push around in ways that manufacturers wouldn't take.

    Then they had to impose "cost cutting" measures -- like "no testing", and limited engines -- to keep those tiny teams in the game.
    ("No testing" also means that you don't give your "reserve drivers" any real seat time.)

    Then they had the bright idea to "go green" with hybrids which are clearly not consistent and predictable enough for performance driving ---
    --- and that blew the "economical" series out the door.

    So the tiny teams are going broke, or taking on five "pay drivers" with only two seats.

    Anyone else now wishing the "breakaway series" had gone ahead, with real constructors taking over from FOM?
     
  4. Neonzapper

    Neonzapper F1 Rookie

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    Although Tata has no car in the race, "Jaguar" is heavily advertised at the events and sponsors much of the pre-shows and post-shows.
     
  5. Kiwi Nick

    Kiwi Nick Formula 3

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    Tata...now there is a name that really gets a race fan reved up!!!! Almost as much as Subaru.
     
  6. NJB13

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    What F1 needs is to get back to "teams" and get rid of "production car companies".
     
  7. Neonzapper

    Neonzapper F1 Rookie

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    Ah...in other words, get rid of Ferrari.
     
  8. NJB13

    NJB13 Formula 3

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    Ferrari are the quintessential F1 "team"

    Ferrari ..... production car company ...... ROFL
     
  9. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Ferrari = Chrysler-Fiat group.

    Not a production car company ?
     
  10. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Ferrari is, apparently, the "second most recognized brand in the world" (behind Coke). I'd be willing to bet that the *vast* majority have no idea they're in any way related to FCG.

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  11. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    +1000.

    This will automatically lure in new teams
     
  12. NJB13

    NJB13 Formula 3

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    Awesome logic, here's some more

    William owns a pet cat
    William = a cat

    Muammar Gaddafi owns McLaren shares
    McLaren = brutal dictator (well, actually this may be true) :)
     
  13. Kiwi Nick

    Kiwi Nick Formula 3

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    Muammar Gaddafi, dead
    McLaren = dead
     
  14. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Don't underestimate McLaren.

    If they are indeed dead it will be a huge loss for the sport.
     
  15. Igor Ound

    Igor Ound F1 Veteran

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    Yes, mclaren will fight back for sure. Not only honda could start with a clean sheet design but they also have more in season development tokens than mercedes. This I find unfair. There should be no tokens for honda.
     
  16. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    There should be no tokens period because there should be no engine freeze.

    Fans pizz and moan about Mercedes domination and then try to hobble the best opportunity to end it.
    Makes no sense. But what does in today's F1?
     
  17. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I only pointed out to you, that Ferrari is not just a small team like Manor, Williams, Lotus Caterham and so on.

    Ferrari, as part of the FIAT-Chrysler group, is on equal footing with Mercedes, Renault, Honda, etc...

    Since FIAT, Alfa, or Maserati, don't have racing department anymore, Ferrari is now the only racing arm of a huge car manufacturing consortium, and benefits from its financial backing.
     
  18. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Soon to be in the past tense.
    In fact very soon Ferrari will be constrained by the debt that Fiat is putting on them.
     
  19. BMWairhead

    BMWairhead Formula 3

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    But think about the potential...

    How many new fans would be generated each time the commentator says: "we have yet to see any action form the two Tatas." Or..."the two Tatas should be out on track any moment now." A partnership with Penthouse or Playboy would be a natural.
     
  20. piolaxo

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    Subaru has a mountain more racing pedegree than Tata. They cannot be in the same
    sentence IMO. Tata has actually no racing pedegree whatsoever, does it?
     
  21. piolaxo

    piolaxo Formula Junior

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    Subaru in F1 reminds me this: flat 12.
     
  22. Peter Tabmow

    Peter Tabmow Formula Junior

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    #22 Peter Tabmow, Mar 17, 2015
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  23. piolaxo

    piolaxo Formula Junior

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    Yep, the one and only. I remember practice Thusrday and pre-quali during the
    Mexican GP in '90 and the noise was glorious.

    It's a shame that the engine was on the heavy side, and could not offset (enough)
    the advantages of its low centre of gravity.
     

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