The thoughts of a fool

LOL. I enjoy your prose.

 

Fred did stop Michael FIA and the need for Michelin to win a championship and in 2006 clown hack lawyer stabbed him in the back didn't want him to leave with the number 1 plate

 

And what year was Alonso going to leave with "the number one plate"?

 

Fred Alonso

The only driver ever to turn in his boss for doing something illegal and then end up working for him again.

 

When was that ?

 

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/14/alonso-de-la-rosas-emails-led-to-mclarens-punishment/


http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/24184/9831212/fernando-alonso-signed-three-year-mclaren-deal-reveals-ron-dennis

But despite the stress and strain of injury and injured pride, there has been no sign of a fissure in the Alonso-McLaren relationship which ruptured so spectacularly seven years ago when the Spaniard’s previous stint with the Woking outfit ended in bitter acrimony, a £100m fine from the sport’s governing body for McLaren's role in the 'Spygate' affrair, and an instant divorce.

"That’s ancient history now,” countered Dennis. "We’ve all moved on - and by ‘we’ I mean McLaren, Ferrari and indeed the FIA. And the Fernando we’re working with today, now, is a fantastically motivated and inspirational man. He’s as quick as ever, as competitive as ever, more experienced than ever, more expert than ever, and he combines those traits with an infectious energy and enthusiasm.

 

Alonso's role was minimal in the whole Stepneygate, as I recall.
Alonso wasn't the whistle-blower in the affair, far from it.At a later stage, he just protected himself by revealing voluntarily that he had exchanged email with test driver de la Rosa about the infos leaked from Ferrari. A thorough FIA investigation would have shown that anyway.

The disagreement with Ron Dennis came from his treatment at McLaren; coming with 2 titles under his belt, he didn't expect to be challenged by his rookie team mate supported by Dennis. It was Ron Dennis playing with fire by setting his two drivers against each other that irritated Alonso mostly. I think a WDC was lost that year.

The return of Alonso at McLaren has to been seen as "a marriage of reason", and not as a love affair. Alonso had nowhere to turn after burning his bridges with Ferrari, and McLaren needed a top driver to please its new partner Honda.

 

+1

 

Agree with most things you say. Not sure about alonso being only 9% of vettel and ham though. I think he's better than vettel

 

he's better than both.

 

MINIMAL?

Alonso threatened to "spill all the beans" to the FIA if he didn't get number one status over Hamilton. He never pulled the trigger but he sung like a canary to save his own skin over his knowledge that they were using Ferrari stolen info and not coming forward.

I'm not sure that's what I would call "minimal".

Look, I like Fred... but he pulled a lot of shannigans when he was at Mac the first time.

 

We have a different opinion about that story.

The whole affair started when the employee alerted Ferrari that their documents were photocopied somewhere in England. Alonso had nothing to do with it.

 

FIA had no idea till fred got mad that Ron was letting some young brit out run him

 

That makes perfect sense. We will bring in one of the best/most expensive 2x champ and his big sponsors then we will embarrass him with our rookie.

 

I tend to agree Fred thinks of himself first and foremost a ruthless individual on and off track..and Flavio and NPJ would know..

Anyway the biggest rat behind all these scams IMO was Mosely..

 

What about the disgruntled Ferrari staff...remember white powder in the tanks ect .. thats where it started.

 

Fred is a cheater and a snake..he exudes poison....he threatned Ron, and when Ron didn't comply with his demands he told the whole story to the FIA in exchange for imunity....ohhh, he also told everything to Ferrari in exchange for a seat but Luca ****ed him and let him hung to dry!!..He later picked him up in exchange for a kings randsom payed by Santander.....still was a bad buisness for Ferrari....

Ps: Matiacci i will never forget you for sacking that clown, thanks!!!

 

It wasn't that stark lol. I think Hamilton was up to speed quicker than McLaren anticipated, however Dennis had reportedly told Alonso he would be the team's #1 driver. When Hamilton was forced to stand down from his challenge to Alonso for the win at Monaco, the siht hit the fan. The tension only built up from there and McLaren flamed out in spectacular fashion.

At the center of the issue though, a) Alonso was reportedly told he would be the team's #1 driver and b) Hamilton was Ron Dennis' protégée from his years in karting up to his debut with McLaren in F1. That was a pretty bad predicament he created for himself.

 

+1

Dennis favoured Hamilton as his favourite pet.
But Hamilton wasn't very grateful and dumped McLaren to new pasture.

 

Exactly. Nobody could have predicted that the rookie would be up to speed that quickly. Alonso fans make it sound like a well planned sabotage. Can you imagine if it didn't blow up with spygate? Rookie wins F1 championship next to best driver in the world.
Did you guys expect Alonso to sit still and watch that happen?

 

Are you serious?
He gave 6 years to McLaren. He threw away some of his best years at McLaren. Did you expect him to retire at McLaren? If that isn't grateful in your book then it's a good thing he wasn't grateful. He would be the 1x champ that never did anything like Button/Kimi. Now he has a chance to become one of the greatest of all time.
Kimi is another great driver that might have 2-3 titles if he left that POS in time.

 

Loyalty has no place in modern sports.
I don't like it but that's the way it is.

 

You seem to forget that without Ron Dennis, Hamilton wouldn't be were he is now.
It's Ron Dennis who discovered him, backed him up during his karting years, financed his rise in the lower categories, and gave him a chance to drop in a top team for his introduction to F1, without having to struggle for years in a no-hope team.
You seem to forget the enormous chance Ron Dennis gave Hamilton, compared to other beginers who never get a break.
Hamilton had one WDC at McLaren, many podiums. He made loads of money and became an household name, thanks to Ron Dennis.
Yes, I think that Hamilton should be very grateful towards Ron Dennis, who probably regrets now to have been so generous.

Kimi, by the way, never benefited from the coaching Hamilton received during his early years. Kimi arrived in F1 with just 23 races in all cetegories under his belt: not years of schooling paid by Ron Dennis.