The new starts - Toto Wolff offers some thoughts | FerrariChat

The new starts - Toto Wolff offers some thoughts

Discussion in 'F1' started by DF1, Aug 17, 2015.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    I like Toto. Tweak what? You dont get to help anymore and no, it does not 'devalue' qualifying lol! You make a mistake you YOU PAY!
    ------------------------------

    New F1 start rules could require tweaks, says Mercedes boss Wolff - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

    New F1 start rules could require tweaks, says Mercedes boss Wolff
    By Ian Parkes Sunday, August 16th 2015, 12:58 GMT



    Formula 1's new clutch-start rules may need to be revisited should the drama they are due to deliver go over the top, according to Mercedes motorsport boss Toto Wolff.

    The start to F1's Belgian Grand Prix has often been engaging, but the beginning to next Sunday's race at Spa-Francorchamps may prove even more striking.

    The FIA has banned remote assistance from the pitwall to help cars get off the line, and instead starts revert back into the hands of the drivers.

    Mercedes finds multiple reasons behind recent poor starts

    Reigning world champion Lewis Hamilton expressed expectation the starts would become "more unpredictable", potentially lead to "more weaving", and in a worst-case scenario even be "disastrous".

    Although still believing it to be "a good idea", Hamilton did suggest "it is not going to be the right thing and it is going to be adjusted".

    Wolff concurs with Hamilton that work might be required, should the new starts ultimately produce an undesired effect.

    "I think what he [Hamilton] says is right," Wolff told AUTOSPORT.

    "We wanted to make the starts more variable and unpredictable, to give more responsibility to the driver and make it look less 'remote control' from the garage.

    "This is the first exercise in tuning technology down for the sake of the entertainment, and all the steps which have been done are understandable.

    "But is it going to cause drama beyond expectations, or variability beyond expectations?

    "If so then it will need to be looked at again and adjusted.

    "What none of us want is completely unpredictable starts for everybody which then completely devalues qualifying.

    "It is going to be learning on the job, but Formula 1, the FIA and the stakeholders have shown in the past we are pretty flexible in adapting things for the sake, or safety, of the sport if required."
     
  2. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

    Dec 19, 2003
    4,199
    Cheshire
    This whole starting debate is hilarious. These are the worlds best drivers (some may disagree…) driving the worlds best racing cars (some may disagree…). I presume they all know how to get a normal road car, and any other race car up to and including an F1 car off the line. How hard can it be to expect them to start their F1 race cars in a race? If it's too hard, then the clutch system should be simplified until it is easy enough to use…
     
  3. NJB13

    NJB13 Formula 3

    Jan 5, 2013
    1,317
    Pampanga,Philippines
    Full Name:
    Norm
    So we get some new rules that don't suit Mercedes and suddenly Toto and co are all for immediate changes.
     
  4. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Subtly yes. They know and have shown they are vulnerable at the start.
     
  5. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

    Mar 24, 2008
    41,446
    ESP
    Full Name:
    Bas
    What an idiot. Devalue qualifying?! Get real totonator.
     
  6. JWeiss

    JWeiss F1 Veteran
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Nov 18, 2010
    7,547
    NYC and Long Island, NY
    Full Name:
    JWeiss
    With control going back to the drivers, and the challenges of getting the bite settings exactly correct, I heard some of the teams are exporing a complicated mechanical device that gives the driver infinite continuous control over the clutch at the start. Something about a foot-operated control of some sort...
     
  7. classic308

    classic308 F1 Veteran

    Jan 9, 2004
    6,794
    Westchester, NY
    Full Name:
    Paul
    Big +1
     
  8. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

    Mar 16, 2011
    5,769
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Hamilton and Toto are scared.

    Very intimidating : P
     
  9. Mulehead

    Mulehead Formula Junior

    Jun 6, 2012
    755
    Toto needs to use the foot to optimize Hamilton starts my dad used his belt to optimize me I would have taken the boot gladly
     
  10. itschris

    itschris Formula 3

    Sep 15, 2011
    1,478
    Florida
    Full Name:
    Chris
    Hmmm... so if some drivers are unable to manage to start effectively... we need to change the rules? Good Lord! What is happening to F1?
     
  11. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 3, 2006
    25,605
    What you say makes perfect sense.

    I cannot see what all the fuss if about.

    Another storm in a tea cup ...
     
  12. Mulehead

    Mulehead Formula Junior

    Jun 6, 2012
    755
    I thought it's call f1 not xbox or playstation
     
  13. Kiwi Nick

    Kiwi Nick Formula 3

    Jun 13, 2014
    1,324
    Durango, CO
    Full Name:
    Jeff
    What happened to the idea that we watch F1 to see the worlds best drivers tame powerful race cars with their own personal skills. Skills that we can only dream of having. I see no allure in watching Pastor, Sergio, Max, Will or Roberto push the launch button, which may or may not engage an exquisitely written computer program. I want to see drivers demonstrate their skill with a clutch.

    What's next, braking and steering programs? Why not allow the engineers to employ modifiable programs that will cause the brakes to be applied in the optimal manner determined for each corner? Or even AI programs that "learn" the optimum braking profile, corner by corner through the course of free practices?
     
  14. Igor Ound

    Igor Ound F1 Veteran

    Sep 30, 2012
    8,102
    The Horn
    Full Name:
    Igor Ound
    Note to self: if you're winning and a new rule is set to shake thinks up, appeal against it for security concerns
     
  15. itschris

    itschris Formula 3

    Sep 15, 2011
    1,478
    Florida
    Full Name:
    Chris
    I remember in MotoGP before traction control how brutal the racing was. I'm not taking anything away from the current riders but taming a MotoGP bike 8-10 years ago was something completely different.

    I only want the cars to go faster up to the limits of the driver. I don't want artificial nanny-programs filling in where the driver is weak or simply can no longer manage the power/car.

    I'm all for mechanical evolution, but software to drive the car is counter to what racing is all about. Are we going to evolve to driverless F1 cars where Lewis is just sitting on some yacht with Rhianna or Kendall Jenner on a Sunday playing driver on his iPad while getting a bj?
     
  16. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

    Mar 16, 2011
    5,769
    Pittsburgh, PA
  17. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

    Apr 26, 2005
    23,349
    KL, Malaysia
    Full Name:
    MC Cool Breeze
    Like i've mentioned before...F1 tends to house the biggest cry babies and whiners around.
     
  18. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

    Mar 24, 2008
    41,446
    ESP
    Full Name:
    Bas
  19. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

  20. Kiwi Nick

    Kiwi Nick Formula 3

    Jun 13, 2014
    1,324
    Durango, CO
    Full Name:
    Jeff
    Virtually every car manufacturer plus Google and Apple are working overtime on their "self-driving" cars. The more say the manufacturers have in racing, the closer we get to F1 being a proving ground for their ideas.
     
  21. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

    Mar 16, 2011
    5,769
    Pittsburgh, PA
    How did it cost him a win? He couldn't catch Kimi, let alone Seb. It has been a couple weeks though, I may have forgotten. : )

    But in general I agree, he should be saying it gives him a chance to be better than everyone. Especially when Hamilton didn't have a good start last race anyway.
     
  22. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

    Mar 24, 2008
    41,446
    ESP
    Full Name:
    Bas
    When asked which tires he wanted, he shouted '' the same as Lewis '', even though they would be the slower tire. At the time I found it a bizarre command, I think I wrote it here actually.

    It's so important to him that he beats Lewis with everything equal, that he lost sight of the big picture. Because had he beaten Lewis, there would be stories going round that he only beat him because he was on a faster tire. Nico is terrifyingly unsecure of himself. This is why he won't be a world champion.
     
  23. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

    Mar 16, 2011
    5,769
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Ah now I remember. Yes that is not good. Thanks for reminding me.
     
  24. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
    BANNED

    Jun 23, 2003
    100,524
    Melbourne, Australia
    Full Name:
    Peter
    Isn't that sort of the right thing to have done, though? Nico's only threat this year is Lewis. No one other than those two has a chance to win this year, and Mercedes WCC is also a sure thing unless something unimaginable happens.

    It sort of makes sense that Nico's going to cover Lewis' moves. Nico is as fast as Lewis, so why risk the soft tyre which may not have made the distance if Lewis is on the hard tyre? If Lewis had been on the soft tyre, and Nico copied, then sure, they would have both been faster, but at least if the tyres went off, they both would have suffered from that problem.

    So...did that choice cost Nico the race win? Maybe....who knows....but at least, without that puncture, he had his only real threat covered. The WDC....THAT'S the big picture...not MAYBE winning another race.
     

Share This Page