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  1. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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  2. Jack-the-lad

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    He's becoming boring.
     
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  4. Kiwi Nick

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    If Red Bull and STR, along with Ilmor are willing to make the move based on the 2.2 liter twin turbo, I'm with them. With some additional development and materials upgrading, Ilmor could produce power on par with Ferrari. And it could be a more drivable unit that current PUs. Surely there are lots of issues to resolve, like fuel capacity, but...

    So, let's roll the dice and shake F1 up!
     
  5. toil

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    He is so rude and outspoken he doesn't deserve an engine. He should make his own. At this rate 2015 Ferrari engines for red bull tbh can't see any other option
     
  6. Kiwi Nick

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    F1 is full of rude and outspoken people...always has been. Some of them are icons of the sport, like Bernie, Briatore, Lauda, Senna and Enzo Ferrari.
     
  7. Remy Zero

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    Just F off already. Everyone is getting bored of the constant complaining and whining.

    they should also change their tagline. 'Fly away when times are challenging'
     
  8. F2003-GA

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    Hope RBR leave for good
     
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  10. william

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    Nothing would please me more at the end of this season than learning that Mateschitz is pulling his 2 teams out of F1.

    Not only that would wipe the smiles of Horner and Marko's faces, but that would make them eat humble pie. They have acted so stupidely.
     
  11. Gatorrari

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    He should fold STR and use the money that would free up to develop his own engine.
     
  12. 05011994

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    It could be a tough off season if RBR and TR do mot return next year. With Lotus's Renault deal on the ropes and not certain and the mass exodus from Manor last week we could be down 4 teams and & 8 cars. If this happens it will be intersting to see where RBR and TR drivers end up. Verstappen or Riccardo could make Mercedes or Ferrari an interesting dynamic to watch the power struggle on which driver will be the 1, 2 and 3.
     
  13. DF1

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    RedBull did not handle their relationship well. Old news.

    The sport is now ruled by cowards who fear RedBull LOL! Ferrari and Mercedes and Mclaren are fear filled hypocrites. Period. They should go home and play video games alone. The computer wont hurt them.
     
  14. william

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    The "sport" is a business first and foremost.
    In business, you don't hand over your advantage to your competitors.
    That has nothing to do with cowardise. It's common sense.

    How the board at Ferrari or Mercedes would react if Arrivabene or Wolff accept to supply Red Bull, and then get beaten by them next year after spending hundreds of $ millions?
    Do you think companies like Mercedes or FIAT are charities?

    Your comment shows that you have very little grasp of commercial reality. Nothing is fair in love and war...
     
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    :(

    Someone should gag this demented old bat.

    IMO Horner has tried to manage the situation somewhat, though he did criticize Renault, but all his efforts in diplomacy have been ruined by this imbecile.

    I want RBR/STR to stay because of the awesome caliber of drivers they currently have in the sport, and guys they have brought on.
     
  17. Bas

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AsLJmkvqDY[/ame]

    I think this guy is actually Dietrich.

    (warning: contains a swear)
     
  18. ago car nut

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    IMO Ilmor would have a hard time jumping into F1 with the KER. They can surely develop the recip horsepower, but the struggle will be the KERS unit. Just look at the problems Honda is having. You don't think Honda can't develop hp?
     
  19. Bas

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    It's been debated a few times; in the current engine climate, no one is going to build an engine. Any manufacturer that thought about it, even with huge budgets (talking BMW, VW group, Toyota, GM sized companies) simply will not because of the huge costs involved, and the high failure rate (with that I mean not coming close to Ferrari in hp, let alone Mercedes...).

    This makes it completely and utterly impossible for a Cosworth/Ilmor type company to join. A failed engine guarantees bankruptcy. A decent engine, possibly same result. Only way they could be making money is by building the best engine and having it in one of the best cars (i.e. the RBR), to have a serious go at winning the title to get more customers to cover for the initial cost of development. Honda have thrown over 50 mil at it already...with ZERO result.

    None of the independents like Cosworth are stupid enough to undertake such a challenge. And this is exactly why F1 is broken...We can't rely on the 2 engine companies out there that make a decent enough engine to dictate who they supply to (i.e. no one strong enough to have a go at challenging them), and the inability to make worthwhile upgrades has hurt Honda/Renault tremendously.

    The engine should have been simpler, an engine (turbo or not, as long as it's straight forward!) with a bolt on KERS unit is all that was needed. This way Cosworth & co would be able to manufacture engines for the likes of Red Bull, STR, Manor et all.

    Ferrari and Mercedes being the only 2 fighting for a championship, and the only ones with any chance, is going to sink F1 at maybe an unrecoverable rate. Bernie needs to step in and dictate. Call Mercedes' bluff.
     
  20. F2003-GA

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    You make ZERO sense
     
  21. Jack-the-lad

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    Precisely what I was thinking.
     
  22. Jack-the-lad

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    Beyond the commercial aspects, why would any team in any sport want to help their competitors beat them?
     
  23. Kiwi Nick

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    There is no need for a customer engine with kers. Let Ilmor max the 2.2 liter engine out. BMW used to get 1000hp out of their 1500cc turbocharged four cylinder engine, w/o kers. Turn the engine builders loose!

    Can you imagine RIC in a Red Bull with 1000hp under foot!
     
  24. singletrack

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    Eh? His statement makes perfect sense. Whether you agree or not is a different matter.

    Merc and Ferrari are on top, but will not sell an engine to RB because they fear Horner's chassis - which has proven to be quite good on certain circuits and when grip is limited. McLaren supposedly has a veto against Honda supplying any other teams, so even once that engine is good (if it ever will be), McLaren will not allow RB access.
     
  25. 4rePhill

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    Don't forget though that when Red Bull were winning week in - week out, they were more than happy to be arrogant and brash about it, and to gloat in the faces of Mercedes/Ferrari and McLaren, sneering at the established opposition, making comments along the lines of: "It's hardly our fault if the opposition can't keep up!........Perhaps they should all try a bit harder to improve".

    Red Bull took great satisfaction in rubbing the noses of Mercedes/Ferrari and McLaren in the fact that they couldn't beat Red Bull.

    Now Red Bull need help from the very same teams that they used to mock and humiliate week in-week out!

    Yes Mercedes and Ferrari fear the Red Bull chassis and being beaten by a car fitted with their own power uints, but there's another element to all this that is being overlooked: "Payback's a Mutha!" ;)
     

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