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Test Ferrari 312T2 double wing true?

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  1. alien_9998

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    #1 alien_9998, Nov 26, 2015
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  2. nerofer

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    Yes, it actually happened.
    It was an early 1977 test, which is mentioned for instance in the fourth paragraph (= Ferrari early 1977) of the first post on this page:

    Experiments: weird, bizarre, useless, etc... - The Nostalgia Forum - The AUTOSPORT Forums

    The "T" and "T2" tested numerous aerodynamic solutions, included four tyres at the rear (mounted side by side, two each side, but on the standard axle; NOT two different axles); front aerodynamic shrouds in front of the front wheels, rear aerodynamic "bullets" behind the rear wheels, and what-have-you...
     
  3. BartonWorkman

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    #3 BartonWorkman, Nov 26, 2015
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    Seems as though Ferrari actually raced a very different wing configuration on the 312 T4
    for Villeneuve and Scheckter.

    It wasn't this double wing portrayed here but rather a single wing mounted aft the
    engine cover and ahead of the rear wheels which sat very low. IIRC, they used this
    configuration at Monte Carlo and perhaps some of the other low grip circuits with
    some success.

    Also remember seeing split configuration rear wings on the Ferraris during this era as well.
    One half of the rear wing was mounted a bit fore the center line (if you will) and the other
    half a step or two aft, odd looking and evidently not very effective as they weren't copied.

    Deferring to the engineers in this forum but it would seem Ferrari was attempting to change
    the center of gravity a bit in the cars.

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  4. furoni

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    The split wing was used in long beach 82, Gilles was third but later disqualifyed because of the wing.....This wing was used as a protest agians the "foca" teams, as they were all below minimum weight, and then used big water tanks in the sidepods (that they said it was to cooling" to get minimum weight...they would ran the cars with the tanks empty and would fill them during pit stops!!)..If i recall corectly, the rear wing had a maximum dimension and could be done in 2 separate parts, so Mauro, decided (to show that he also could play with the rules) to use the mazimum dimension alowed but, since the wing could be mad eof two parts, he splited them making a much larger wing!!! The car was given the ok to race but later on disqualifyed!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0kdfyNpzYU
     
  5. nerofer

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    Yes, that is the story. Mauro Forghieri was fed up with the authorities who allowed the british teams to blatantly twist the rules (there were also stories at the time, among others, of pieces of the Brabham body being ultra-light for the qualis and race, but ultra-heavy for the car when the weight was controled...) so Mauro found the loophole for the rear wing, saying that there was indeed a maximum width defined, but that there was no disposition preventing anyone to bolt TWO wings side by side, so he did it just to show anyone how ridiculous the situation has become.

    Rgds
     
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    The rear wing used on the t4 for Monaco, was also used in the T5 for the same race
     
  7. nerofer

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    And that one was perfectly legal, even if it width is larger, because it was in front of the rear axle. It was the same rule (allowing a larger width for aerofoils when in front of the rear axle) that allowed the additional small side winglets fixed on extensions of the main wing endplates each side of the main wing in 1983.

    Rgds
     
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    Also in 84, the c4 also had those small winglets...
     
  9. alien_9998

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    THNX!
     
  10. william

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    There is nothing like a bit of rule bending to show the loopholes in the regulations.

    I love it !!
     
  11. tervuren

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    Thank you so much for sharing this. :)
     
  12. Gatorrari

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    One of the cars also used it at Long Beach.
     
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  14. Kiwi Nick

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    Can't do any of this today...the committee at the FIA gets to have all the ideas that are worth having.
     
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    #15 Fast_ian, Jan 31, 2016
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    That's as maybe.

    It's also a large part of the reason we have ~100's of pages of regulations these days......

    Debatable, IMESHO.

    The teams pretty much make the rules these days. The FIA just ratifies what they want.

    Whether that's good or bad is a different debate. ;)

    Cheers,
    Ian
    PS - good job Nero, Teru, BHW & Furuni on the explanations! Gotta love this place. ;)
     
  16. scudF1

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    Different times, different rules. On a good note credit to Ferrari for trying.
     

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