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Silly season F1 management: Ferrari tries to temp BRAWN!

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  1. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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  2. furoni

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    Yap, he would be nice...and if allison ca't do better and Newey can't be bought..i would try to get Costa back..he should never left in the first place...
     
  3. CornersWell

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    The Scuderia had THE team together. I realize times change, people age or leave and so on and so forth, but LCdM's dismantling of the super-team (Todt, Brawn & MS) was, IMO, the beginning of the decline. I'm not pining for the past, but I think that with the proper handling of a transition to a hand-picked successor staff (by Todt, Brawn & MS), things could have gone better for the team. The Scuderia is competing against awfully talented teams, personnel and drivers. It's hard to make progress when they're improving, too. Merc is where Benetton, Williams, McL, SF and Red Bull have been. Who'll figure it out next? Don't know. But, Brawn wouldn't be a bad poach.

    CW
     
  4. racerx3317

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    More pissing in the wind by Marchionne. Overhauling the staff every year they don't win won't make them winners any faster.
     
  5. TifosiUSA

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    It absolutely was. The proof is in the pudding.
     
  6. Bas

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    Not an overhaul. This is adding a genius to the team.
     
  7. racerx3317

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    Link says "Staffing Overhaul". Also says Brawn already said no.
     
  8. Igor Ound

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    Whiting doesn't like to fish with Arrivabene it seems.
     
  9. Bas

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    Brawn said no to a full time job. His interview with Brundle seems like he's mulling something over a certain offer.
     
  10. Igor Ound

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    If Motorsport.com says it, it must be true! ;)
     
  11. tifosi12

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    Casino grande as in the eighties
     
  12. william

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    +1

    I cannot see how that will stimulate motivation among the technical staff, or make the cars go quicker.
     
  13. DeSoto

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    We already have Byrne as "advisor" and it doesn't make a big difference.

    IMO it's time to shut up and work hard, nothing else. Mercedes needed years, piles of cash and lots of political pressure to get to the top, we won't do it in one year hiring an advisor here and another there.
     
  14. Igor Ound

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    Thanks to his close friendship with Whiting I strongly suspect Brawn has always known or second-guessed tech regs in advance and has always had a preferential treatment which made him so unbelievably successful as a team manager and gave Mercedes the unfair advantage of having 6/12 months extra pre-development of the new turbo PUs so he certainly could help until Whiting is there.
     
  15. Bas

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    According to the Gazetta, Allison COULD leave Ferrari, in which case they'll likely hire James Key.
     
  16. william

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    It's good to look back to the past, but not to go back to it.

    Ferrari should look ahead, get new fresh blood, and not try to reheat an old recipe that has gone cold.
     
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    La Gazzetta dello sport's report:-

    "James Allison looks set to split with Ferrari, according to the authoritative Italian sports daily La Gazzetta dello Sport.

    Although team boss Maurizio Arrivabene angrily denied the rumours when they first appeared some weeks ago, correspondent Luigi Perna now reports that there is truth to the rumblings from behind the scenes at Maranello.

    It follows president Sergio Marchionne's missed pre-season target of early victories in 2016, even though Ferrari insists the world championship is still not lost.

    But La Gazzetta claims that Marchionne, who is also the Fiat Chrysler CEO, has decided to take more control of Ferrari, including an active say on the main management decisions.

    The report said a physical and figurative distance has grown in the relationship between Ferrari and its technical director Allison, particularly after the Briton tragically lost his wife to illness earlier this year.

    Briton Allison has been travelling regularly between Maranello and the UK, where his grieving children live, sparking rumours he could return to Renault.

    "The question is who will fill his place?" correspondent Perna wonders.

    "The name of Ross Brawn is circulating, having been repeatedly associated with the Cavallino," he added, referring to Ferrari's former technical chief who is currently retired.

    But Perna said: "In fact, Brawn recently declined offers to return to F1 and would not be willing for such a demanding role. Not to mention that F1 has changed in the several years he has been outside of the sport."

    La Gazzetta said an internal promotion for someone like Simone Resta is more likely, or the poaching of James Key from Toro Rosso.

    But the report suggested it is crucial that Ferrari gets its management in order, as while Sebastian Vettel is committed for 2017, the German is seeking certain assurances before signing another contract."
     
  18. Bas

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    Going by that article, the next few months are extremely important for Ferrari. Could well face another dry years until the new formula...in 2021...
     
  19. F2003-GA

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    It's the only way to get on top as well as signing Verstappen for 2019
     
  20. E60 M5

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    I would agree.

    The Washington Redskins brought back the Joe Gibbs, the coach from all the 80's-90's Super Bowl wins and it was terrible.
    He was behind on all aspects of the game, old systems didn't work in the new.

    Time to move on.
     
  21. F2003-GA

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    What are you talking about Brawn IS the best available option other than Adrian who is NOT available
     
  22. spirot

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    If Brawn wanted to come back - then yes Ferrari should get him. but to "tempt" him is to set false hopes. its not about one guy anymore. its the team.

    The CRITICAL mistake of Di Montezemolo was trying to make Ferrari all Italian. stupid, crazy idea. That is what happens when you believe your own press.... he just got so arrogant.

    going back to the dream team... Not sure that will work. However clearly Brawn is very good, but does he have the right motivation? he has nothing to gain... all to lose...

    and even if Adrian Newey came to Ferrari ... would he want to do F-1? he's now more involved with the Aston road car project...

    personally I'd like to see Gordon Murray at Ferrari... given all their resources imagine what he could do.... but its a question of motivation... F-1 is so constricted you don't get clever solutions any more... its about refining your existing platform...
     
  23. David Lind

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    And, Spirot, Ross has been out of the game for 6 or so years, which makes reheating the old recipe even less likely to succeed. Of course, Gordon Murry has been out of racing design for even longer.
     
  24. Bas

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    He left 2013, and was a huge part of getting the Mercedes into the shape they're in now.
     
  25. racerx3317

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    It's not a good thing overall. They don't need anymore consultants.
     

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