Reaching human physical limits in F1

Drivers are also saying they feel like they are approaching the point of blacking out.

 

Simply reduce mechanical and aerodynamic grip. Would that not be a solution?

 

You are not at all likely to blackout during a short exposure to 5 g,say like through the Beckets/Maggots at Silverstone,However on a banked track with extended repeated exposure then yes it could happen.

 

Surely they've done some centrifuge training over winter.

 

Perhaps we should ask some of the members of this board who are or were fighter pilots or aerobatic pilots? What would they say?

 

F-18 pilots turn 8g's, but do have g suits and practice a breathing maneuver called th HIC to prevent blackouts. I think 5 is safe...they should be at the limit, it's the highest form of racing

 

Remember this?

Extreme G-Forces Prompt Race Cancellation - ABC News

 

Maybe they have to wear g-suits as this is nothing new in military jet fighter aviation since the vietnam war....blood rushing away from the brain causing a blackout....a g-suit "constricts" the body to keep the blood in the brain preventing black out plus the breathing technique.

 

Pilots never experience lateral G forces - the forces in the plane are always aligned along the vertical and horizontal axis in two dimensions, whether acceleration, positive compression forces, or negative G force - but never in the third lateral dimension. I wouldn't think that a normal pilots G suit would be of any benefit for lateral G.

The biggest problem for 2017 F1 drivers will be the neck muscles holding against the higher lateral G forces for full race distances.

 

This is true in the veritical/horizontal axis or 2D arena but if the fighter pilot is taking a turn at said degree angle in a dogfight, said pilot heads is angled with his body and puts strain on the neck muscles for the duration of the turn (while turning the fighter pilot could be in a dive or climbing).

sorry to go off topic.

 

Garbage. Sensationalist fake news.

 

Correct.

Back in the 80's or 90's they were pulling 5G.
Pete

 

There's a quote from Mario Theissen in 2008 or 2009 saying they were doing 6G (without any loss of consciousness) in 130R so they're still some way off the peak if 5 is the they'll hit this season. I'd expect it to be higher than 5g with the big tires and return to high DF if they were able to do 6g back then.

 

I suspect the "black-out" is a misused term.

Indycar drivers on the short Iowa oval sometimes reported ill effects from the constant cornering, but it was more akin to airsickness or "car sick" or the nausea associated with free fall.
The effects of unaccustomed accelerations on the G-I tract, rather than blood pulled from the brain.

Remember Clarkson losing his lunch after testing the Prodrive P2 on a skidpad?

But, without a neck brace, holding up the head and helmet against a lot of lateral force would be quite a workout, over a 2 hour race.
And there are still people who claim racing doesn't take physical conditioning.
(Probably left over from seeing old time NASCAR drivers carrying their own "spare tire". )

 

And then there's this from 2009:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1JUHGAZUrY[/ame]

 

More insane cars and g suits. Problem solved.

These cars should push the body to the limit and there should only be a select group of people on earth who can drive them.

 

The limit, is where you kill someone, fyi.

You advocate pushing 22 driver's to death per event?

 

Hype.

The issue with Indy cars and drivers blacking out had to do with short ovals (i.e.: Texas Speedway) where the banking converts cornering loads into vertical loads, PLUS the short straights which allow less recovery time for the drivers. After several laps of this, the drivers reported the blackout effects.

This won't affect the new F1 cars.

 

Like the Wall of Death, then ...

 

Now we know who was driving Elton's car.

 

Can't handle it? then you slow down. The real competitors will push it faster to their limit and will beat others who can't. That is the racing that I want to see.

 

So if 5gs isnt the limit for humans racing, what do 'we' think it is ? Obviously there is a limit.

30 years ago i cant imagine them thinking we woould be where we are today as far as this.

 

fighter pilots have worn g-suits for over 30 years

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-LOC