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F1 was a lot more exciting when Cosworth were competing. Liberty should invite them back in.

 

just simplify the damn thing...V6 bitubo + MGU-K... the team that cant develop an engine like that doesn't belong to F1.

 

and there in-lies the problem that most of you guys have been discussing then, now and for the future.....Does F1 need to be a research arena for manufacturers for "road-relevance" use OR for motorsport use. I vote the latter; simplification of the current hybrid unit into V6 2T KERS unit....cheaper to make, costs less for other teams, others can join in...its a win-win all the way around....Oh yeah....exhaust note increases thereby fan base increases and viewership increases and ticket sales increases.

 

Good bye

 

Where else can Mateschitz have so much fun spending his billions? Empty threats.

 

There's was a small hint they were at the motor meeting last week

 

Pitpass commented: "Potential suppliers, who should also accept that for their "below ten million" they will get none of the credit for any success but all the blame for the failures, should form an orderly queue."

 

While a simpler, cheaper power unit would be welcome... Red Bull, Marko, and Mateschitz have cried wolf far too often as they screwed up their own engine supply and threw their engine partner(s) under not just one bus, but an entire metro transit system.

The FIA should implement a new Red Bull rule - threaten to pull out of F1 one more time, and they're banned.

 

Even Alfa Romeo was. Rumours of Ferrari rebadged Alfa F1 engines are getting more and more persistent

 

Can't afford it. Ban Red Bull and we're down 2 teams, and one of the most important teams that actually gets exciting/best drivers to F1 (Vettel, Verstappen, Ricciardo).

 

It's childish though to threaten to leave. Who do they think they are . . . Ferrari?

 

Man, just open it up, ya know?

Put a maximum 1000hp total output (or whatever), be it hybrid or not, and let 'em run with it. Maximum displacement, or equivalency formula, whatever. Free up that fuel flow restrictions and let the engine manufacturers and individual teams sort it out.

4, 6, 8, 10, 12, turbo, supercharged, naturally aspirated, whatever.

I know, I know, it's too...but, what a fun thought game.

 

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Same goes for Ferrari and their recurring threats

Global companies like RB and Ferrari know that F1 is the perfect and only global stage for their products. So accept the price of entry to the club

 

Change the rules to eliminate this lift and coast racing. The race should be flat out go as hard as you can. Up the engine changes also.

 

Yes Red Bull have had their problems with the Renault PU, they were lucky they didn't go with Honda though!

Bring back Cosworth,they are in the UK where most of the teams are based. But they need to be on a level playing field to have any chance.

 

This would be rather exciting.

 

And even more expensive than now.

Red Bull made their (Renault) bed, and they had to lie in it, same as Mclaren does now. They're the idiots that crapped on a manufacturer that powered them to 4 consecutive titles not even a whole season after winning those titles.


A spec engine gives the other manufacturers zero incentive to build their own, what's the point? Spend all that money developing your own engine so you can have the spec motor artificially bumped up to match? When we had cosworth, it wasn't a spec motor, it was still an open competition, if/when another team or manufacturer thought they could beat it at the same rules, they built their own. A spec motor will kill f1, I'd much rather RB leave.

The only time we had this situation is when they switched to v8's and allowed the rev limited cosworth v10 for the cash strapped teams, but it wasn't given parity. It was slower and heavier, so if that's what RB wants - a cheap motor that's less powerful and heavier than the manufacturer motors, fine, let them. But to do otherwise will kill f1 as Ferrari, Mercedes, Renault, Honda etc. will have zero reason to build their own motors and everyone will just run the spec motor and it becomes a chassis/aero competition. Yay, that'll be exciting.

 

Actually, I think they're on the right track, they just aren't regulating it properly - keep the fuel flow rate limit, as the ONLY restriction! That's the only possible way to regulate the approximate power limit. Teams can build whatever engine they want, but they get a maximum gross energy content rate of X based on a max fuel flow rate. The engines with the best efficiency, best energy recovery systems (wide open tech, but no batteries can be pre-charged before the race start), will have the most power. Have at it!

(We'd end up with 4 cyl turbos anyway... )

 

+1 as if Ferrari are not the champion of the Wolf cry. Red Bull's stance is logical. The current engines are costly and overly complex. IF the new formula motor is not an appealing why should they stay. This is real money being spent and teams come and go. Nothing new here.

 

Good bye..close thye door behind..if there was only one engine suplier Ferrari would leave..so between the both of them it's easy to fugure who everyone wants to stay....

 

+1 Red Bulls total contribution (inc STR) is over 600 million per season...their voice does deserve to be heard IMO. That's not including all the funds they spend giving young exciting drivers the chance to make it to F1.

 

I wouldn't expect anyone to say any different honestly. Why would they give their unconditional support to the FIA (LOL!) and Liberty, who they just starting doing business with recently?

This is also good for F1 IMO.

Like others, I would love to see regulations which allow different kinds of engines. Whether you limit them based on fuel consumption, displacement, etc - I don't know. But it would be very cool to see 4,6,whatever-cyclinder engines with various turbo layouts or energy systems.

 

Exactly...the way they treated Renault should scare away any potential supplier.
Both Mercedes and Ferrari certainly will not deliver a current PU to them so there is not much left out there. If someone completely new comes in, how would they know that it does not end in the same disaster Honda is right at the moment?
Although I think it is good to have RB as a strong team beside Mercedes and Ferrari they take themselves way to serious, F1 existed before they joined and it will exist when they left. And when you claim to often you might just leave nobody will take it serious anymore until you actually left.