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Will the NSX be less successful because of Honda's F1 engine woes?

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Will the NSX be less successful because of Honda's F1 engine woes?

  1. Sales will be affected... their reputation is taking a hit

  2. Sales won't be affected... the car will be well received

  3. People will not associate Honda's failures in F1 with the NSX...

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  1. Robb

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    Will the NSX be less successful because of Honda's F1 engine woes?

    I'd be hesitant to plunk down after their inability to fix what ails them in F1

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  2. TheMayor

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    #2 TheMayor, Jun 10, 2017
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    The NSX has already been on the market for a year. They've sold a grand total of 516 cars.

    After 3 years of hype including Jay Leno "jetpacking" to get one in a super bowl ad, it's a FAIL. After the lightweight original, this one at 3900 pounds is an insult.

    Besides, it's an "Acura" not "a Honda". IMO that was their first mistake.
     
  3. Robb

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    The last NSX was sold as an Acura in the US and a Honda in Japan.

    Not sure about the latest one depending on market.

    The qty sold does seem to indicate a fail. I heard it was not that fast... kind of like their F1 engine.

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  4. TheMayor

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    #4 TheMayor, Jun 10, 2017
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    The last one built in Japan was a legend there. The workers were specially selected by Honda to have the privilege of working on the NSX. Many stayed the entire time from beginning to end.

    This new one built in America just doesn't have the same "street cred" for Japanese tastes. They would much more rather drink a Sapporo than a Budweiser.

    When the original NSX came out, Acura was a pretty hot brand. Today no one cares.


    It's a double fail for Honda. Not only is the car a sales dud, it used up the space, oxygen, and resources of something it should have built instead -- a lightweight, twin turbo V6 with a reliable, simple and more exciting drivetrain that could be daily driven.

    They should have built a GT-r and Corvette fighter. Instead they tried to beat a Porsche 911, Ferrari California, and McLaren 570s. They missed.
     
  5. joker57676

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    The winning formula was so simple, yet they complicated the hell out of it and screwed the pooch. They need to be handing out swords to fall on for anyone who worked on this project. The F1 program has no bearing on how the NSX was/is received.



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  6. TheMayor

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    I am really curious to see if the new so-called Mid Engine Corvette is what the new NSX should have been.

    If it is, the people at Honda should be doing a double face plant of what might have been. 7 years to come up with this?
     
  7. bjwhite

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    It's unsuccessful because it's ugly as sin. No thanks.
     
  8. Sfumato

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    200k with offers of 8k back? Umm, no. Like the M4gts I had, overpromised and underdelivered. GT3 more car for 50k less. Nsx should have been 125-140 out door, drag Vette buyers up, 991 buyers sideways, and undersell 570.
    McLaren dealers sell 570s to new to market sports car buyers. Unexpected. That is where they needed to be, and a swoopy alternative to GTR. Fail.
    Dealers got screwed buying tools and 35k showroom configurator only for nsx.
    Honda has lost plot, and Acura went from Legend coupe, integra, RSX to lumpen, Cylon looking SUVs and anonymous sedans.
    Civics suck now and Accord is huge Camry lump.
    McLaren needs to dump them for BMW, they could tie into old road F1 and regular line of hybrids. BMW road cars/Ms ain't what they used to be either. Could advertise like MB AMG, sell motors too.
     
  9. TheMayor

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    Yep --- another mistake

    Instead of LEADING Acura design into the future, they decided to copy it's old face into a new car and adapt it to make it "fit"

    A missed opportunity for sure.
     
  10. Need4Spd

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    The new NSX arrived in a very tough market, crowded with very good cars that it should compete with in some ways, but manages to miss. It's not as exotic as a Ferrari, and Honda's F1 woes certainly don't help give it any cachet as the "reliable" over performing, less expensive alternative. It's not as fast as a 991 turbo. And the C7 Corvette is still a bargain by comparison, while the McLaren 570s promises more. Wouldn't say it is THAT ugly, though.

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    The F1 connection is meaningless.
     
  12. william

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    +1
     
  13. william

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    Chevrolet makes a mistake if it abandons the front engine layout, IMO.
     
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    They gave one to Alonso, but the engine blew up.

    It's a fat, heavy car that looks like a Civic with a body kit. No surprise it has few takers.
     
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    LOL
     
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    I only buy cars I'm interested in. Success (or lack of it) won't make the slightest difference.
     
  19. Jeronimo GTO

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    Question remains: are you interested in the NSX? I'm not.
     
  20. rob lay

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    no, how many of you are still buying Michelin tires?
     
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  22. DF1

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    LOL! Id like to drive the NSX before rendering an opinion. I like the look of it and it will most likely offer fewer problems than other exotics in terms of reliability. The looks are subjective and for normal road use not on a track use, the NSX will be less than others? Most exotic cars are more than over powered for daily or even occasional use on the street.
     
  23. william

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    I go along with that. Some are really hard to live with too.
     
  24. tifoso2728

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    This. Drive it. I have. It does everything it promises.

    The fit and finish is amazing.

    Nothing crazy in the service department and a comprehensive 4-year warranty.

    Again, DRIVE IT.
     
  25. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    It'll go down the path of a car that was unpopular at the beginning and was difficult to sell. Once production stops and time is given, people will rave at how great it drives and no one gave it a shot. Prices will jump back up and be unobtainable. I don't see them becoming cheap buys ever. I haven't heard any negative owner reviews on it so it must be doing something right. I don't listen to magazine/youtube reviews as they're sponsored by someone so have an inherent bias.

    It doesn't look great imo, but I'm sure the drivetrain is incredible.
     

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