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Old 03-17-2017, 04:49 PM
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Defrauded by private party seller. Seeking attorney in the SoCal area.

Hi everyone! I was potentially defrauded by a private seller while purchasing a Ferrari. I am seeking an attorney in the LA area who is familiar with vehicle sales and fraud.

I have a lot of experience in the automotive industry and am versed in all things automotive. In this particular transaction the paperwork has not even been finalized. Meaning the payment was sent, the vehicle has arrived (not as described), and no further paperwork has been completed. I have not received the title.

Please let me know if you know of someone who can help. It would be ideal to have an attorney who understands the Ferrari culture and has had experience with FNA as well, given that a dealership's service department may be involved. I am versed across multiple manufacturers, but this was supposed to be my first Ferrari.
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Not in CA, but what paperwork did get completed?
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Old 03-17-2017, 10:11 PM
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Sounds like the title hasnt been completed and delivered to him yet.



Not sure about lawyers out there but there are quite a few laywers on this forum I'm sure someone knows someone.

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Not going to comment any further than " not as described" is your own fault.
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Not going to comment any further than " not as described" is your own fault.
I'd say "not as described" doesn't give anything like enough information to form an opinion as to who's fault the situation is.
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:43 AM
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I once sold a car long distance that I had leased. California offers a 15 day tax free lease buyout, so I waited for payment, shipped the car, then had to wait 3 weeks for Audi to send the title. All of which was explained to the buyer. In the mean time, the buyer's BMV told him there was no such law, and it was fraud. Lawyers were called, threats were made, letters sent. A couple of weeks later he got the title and I never heard from him again.
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What is the reason/response the seller has given for not providing the title? Perhaps it had a lien on it and it's waiting to clear? Are they withholding it because you have deemed the car "not as described" and you are now in a dispute? If it's a private party sale how would a dealership service department be involved?
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Vague post is vague.
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Not going to comment any further than " not as described" is your own fault.
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I'd say "not as described" doesn't give anything like enough information to form an opinion as to who's fault the situation is.
I'd be interested to know: Did the buyer have a PPI done on the vehicle?
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Old 03-18-2017, 11:57 AM
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What is the reason/response the seller has given for not providing the title? Perhaps it had a lien on it and it's waiting to clear? Are they withholding it because you have deemed the car "not as described" and you are now in a dispute? If it's a private party sale how would a dealership service department be involved?
Didn't we have another thread on here about last week that someone identified as a possible case of "Title Jumping?" Just throwing that out as another reason for the possible delay in clearing up the paperwork.
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Old 03-18-2017, 01:53 PM
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Cant really expect anyone to take this seriously without more information.

As far as Title, Ive had it literally take months to get to me.
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What is "potentially defrauded"?

You either are or you aren't.

I am "potentially thin". That doesn't make me thin.
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Old 03-18-2017, 01:58 PM
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Yes it does take time to get the title some times over a month.

Not everything is instantanious and you should have gone and looked at the car in person.

No ppi can replace your eyes and if you didnt do a ppi well youll just have to deal with it.
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Sounds like it relates to this thread:

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What is "potentially defrauded"?

You either are or you aren't.

I am "potentially thin". That doesn't make me thin.
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Can wait to see how this turns out.
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Potentially defrauded means: I feel defrauded but in legal terms I am not sure I was defrauded.

Not all of us are experts on civil law you know.

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The seller said he had the "clean New York State title in hand." It is curious that the buyer has the car and not the title. The title should have arrived even before the car (assuming the car went from NY to CA).

I am also wondering if damage happened during transport.
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Old 03-19-2017, 01:16 PM
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I understand you guys are after the juicy details, but at the same time I am concerned about privacy and I do not want to be accused of any wrongdoing on my part. As such, I will not make definitive statements or provide evidence I have in advance of going to court. To my knowledge, it is best to keep details private until the lawyers say you can communicate them publicly. Currently I just need an attorney. Once I have one, I can learn what I can and cannot post publicly.

Potentially defrauded means that as far as I can tell, I've been defrauded. I won't say for sure until a judge decides. However any attorney worth his salt will understand once presented with the facts.
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