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Are Ferrari wheels soft? Bent on day 2...

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  1. doobooloo

    doobooloo Rookie

    Jan 21, 2017
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    So in the past with various vehicles I've had sidewalls get blistered and alignment get out of whack from the generous sprinkling of potholes on the streets of NYC, but never a bent rim... And this happened on the 2nd day of driving the car - so not that fast or aggressive as I am still getting acquainted with it. And yes there were some regular bumps but nothing that would have worried me given my past experiences... Only found out this morning at the detailer's:

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    Note that there are no dings/scrapes so no direct contact with rim and tire looks to be OK around that area. Thankfully it'll be relatively painless to get the rim back into shape but gets me wondering, are Ferrari rims made of softer alloys or designed with weaker impact resistance for keeping the weight down?

    A friend responded "Welcome to Ferrari" and I guess that's expected, but would be curious to hear from the experts here if there is a real explanation other than this being a rare coincidence and the same would have happened to any other car's rims for that particular impact.

    Thanks much in advance!



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  2. Entropy

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    So far I've had ZERO bent wheel issues with the Ferraris....which covers about 25K miles in the NY/CT area over the past 6 years. I will admit to being VERY careful when I"m anywhere near rutted/potholed roads

    Now, having said that, I've had multiple best wheels on a Fiat Abarth with OZ wheels, a Cayenne Turbo S, a VW Golf R and even a GMC Yukon. 2 of them were in NYC proper -one on the FDR North that almost put me into a barrier. The Golf R went through 2 wheels - one on the second day I owned it.

    My friend had an FF that claimed 3 front wheels, and his Maserati went through 3, driving on I-95 just across into NY from CT.

    So - unsure it's the Ferrari part of it as much as 1) low profile wheels and 2) just crap roads.
     
  3. ttforcefed

    ttforcefed F1 World Champ
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    my experience has been similar to entropys friend. pretty sure ive been through 2 or 3 sets of the 5 stars and ive bent my f12 wheels twice already. this area sucks.
     
  4. LVP488

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    I also wonder whether this affects more the lighter (and more popular) forged wheels or also impacts in same measures the standard cast wheels - although I actually bent some cast wheels on the 599, but that was during doing about 20,000 km. No issue with my standard wheels on the 488 but I've done less than 6,000 km with it.
     
  5. doobooloo

    doobooloo Rookie

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    Thanks for your response! As for your last comment yes roads are most definitely 100% crap. But interesting to hear that you went through rim issues with various other cars. I personally went through in the past few years 991, Panamera, R8, AMG GT-S and never had damage occur at the wheel level - actually the Panamera was the only one that really had issues (my guess is because it was the heaviest among the cars listed) with tires getting killed and alignment getting knocked out but never the wheel... In fact with all the other cars, potholes were never terribly jarring experiences and really no consequences to to the cars. Hence my suspicion! But from your experience it seems I was most likely just getting lucky all along and finally my turn came... just happens it's on my 2nd day of careful driving of my first Ferrari.





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  6. doobooloo

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    Thanks for sharing. This area does suck for sure.


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  7. doobooloo

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    Though it's not a huge difference I wonder if the weight difference between the 599 and 488 have to do with the fact that you had a wheel issue with the 599 and not the 488?



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  8. deltona

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    I did 5000 miles in and around London with my FF, same forged diamond cut wheels and plenty of potholes but never any damage whatsoever. What tyre pressure are you running?
     
  9. raider1968

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    I damaged one rim in the mountains of NC enough to loose the air in the tire - front right from pot hole
     
  10. doobooloo

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    I did not bother to check yet since it's only been a week since I got it (and only twice to drive it) - assuming factory/standard psi's since I didn't ask for anything different and brand new Sottozeros were mounted right before delivery and the dealer is a Ferrari specialist so they *should* know what they're doing. I'll check in 2 days when I get the car back, though of course it'll be impossible to retroactively check on that particular tire (front passenger side).





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  11. doobooloo

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    Ouch! Once you lost air you had to get the car trailored back to the shop right?


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  12. Zaius

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    Yes. Very few cars can withstand the third world infrastructure present in most major US cities.

    The solution? Leave to greener pastures.
     
  13. doobooloo

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    Or...

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    Credit: Rain Prisk Designs via CarBuzz


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  14. Caeruleus11

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    Very funny picture!

    I agree this is low profile tires + kind of heavy car with less suspension travel + crap roads. In my experience, forged wheels hold up better than cast. In some cases, much much better.

    I would not classify this as "Welcome to Ferrari" - this is simply "welcome to driving a car with low profile tires in the NY area".
     
  15. Brian L

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    Whoa that looks terrible.

    It's not a Ferrari thing.

    P.S. Drive FASTER, the wheels pass over some holes better that way, and you're more alert
     
  16. otakki

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    Forged wheels indeed hold up better than cast wheels.

    Personally, I would recommend getting a set of Cali wheels in 19" with side profile of 40 due to the road condition where you're at. Or at least have the Cali 19" wheels in the front.
     
  17. Milanno

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    If you damage your wheel caused by hitting the pothole, do you have legal right to call police, write official record and sue company that is in charge for road maintenance?
     
  18. Brian L

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    lol
     
  19. deltona

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    In the U.K. If you get pot hole damage and hole is deeper and wider than carrtain measurements, if you produce photographic evidence of hole with dimensions, damage and proof of costs you can apparently claim from the local council.
     
  20. Milanno

    Milanno Formula Junior

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    Thank you so much :) That sounds very logical to me!

    With your car registration fees you are participating in state financing plan to keep roads safe from obstacles that could damage your car or some part of it.

    If you dont pay your car fees, you cant legally drive on state owned roads. If you pay, than you have right to claim potential damage caused by lack of road maintenance.
     
  21. patekswiss

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    Nothing wrong with Ferrari wheels. The world of low-profile tires means that this is going to happen from time to time on NYC roads. I've seen it with multiple vehicles with alloy wheels and low profile rubber. And the F12 is a nice GT that actually rides a bit softer than some sports cars so I think it is a bit easier to underestimate exactly how horrible the road underneath you is. I rarely use the soft shock setting in the city for just this reason, I want the feedback. When I have a passenger I may have to compromise!

    I think with care this type of thing can be minimized. I drive mine in the city all the time and I wouldn't stop driving it out of fear that this kind of thing will happen all the time.
     
  22. DK308

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    If it was only that simple. Yes, the 19" will provide more profile, but unfortunately you'll either have to go with a much narrower PZero tyre on the Cali wheels i.e 275/45R19 in the rear along with 245/40R19 front as 255/40R19 won't fit the 8" wide rim. Also be aware that in order for the tyre to really protect the rim from this kind of thing, tyre width is very important. That 275/45R19 won't be giving that 10" wide rim much protection. Add to that an already nervous PZero in a much narrower size on an already tail happy F12. I'd say that'll only work if you're cruising along and don't do any kind of spirited driving.
    The other option will be that you'll have to get wider aftermarket 19" rims like the forged OZ Superforgiata and run a crap Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tyre in 315/40R19 with 255/40R19 front. While the OZ Superforgiata is an excellent strong and light forged rim, that Goodyear tyre is an absolute joke so that's not an option either.
     
  23. doobooloo

    doobooloo Rookie

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    Wow fascinating! That's great to hear. I have only heard before re: pothole damages that often insurance will not take pothole claims because they're avoidable with skilled driving.


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  24. doobooloo

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    So got the car back this afternoon with the passenger side wheel repaired flawlessly. Drove around VERY carefully (mother in law was in back seat so by definition was driving very gently! ) - total driving time less than 1 hour - and upon returning to the garage found this on the driver side front:

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    At this point I am so shocked I don't even know what to think or how to respond... Twice in probably a total of 5~6 hours of driving since I picked up the car, both front rims/tires have gone through damage. I mean we can all joke "that's why you need two Ferraris" but man, this is really not a pleasant vehicle ownership experience so far...




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  25. deltona

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    That is quite shocking and I feel for you. That would really bother me.

    I know I said this before but do you know what tyre pressures you are running?

    Also could the wheels have been refurbished/repaired before you owned the car. I just wonder if some sort of heat or chemical treatment may have weakened them?
     

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