Schumi accuses rivals of blocking

+1 Schumi was / is (?) a great driver but class is not one of his attributes (Neither is Alonso's though)

 

Lol, I stand corrected..

 

Yeah, but what comes around goes around, it's not like Schummi has never blocked anyone himself before.

 

Agreed.

The era of gentlemen drivers is long gone. If you want to make it to the top (read WDC) you will have to play dirty at some point. They all do.

Having class and success in modern F1 don't really go together.

 

Maybe not the cleanest driver on the track, but definitley didn't cost a team 100 million plus for corporate espionage.

 

Certainly Alonsohole deserves what MS did in Rascasse.

 

Sadly that seems to be the case.

My money is on Vettel who seems like a nice, genuine and greatly talemted chap. Not yet a WDC but hopefully he is in the making and will do without the crap that Schumi, Alonso and Hamilton have displayed. Vettel's reaction to today's race speaks volumes by not blaming anyone in his team when someone clearly messed up.

Back on Schumi, he is as usual so egocentric thinking that people are out to block him when he is not even in contention.

 

He only bought the team out of the dark ages after Prost told them they were f*cked and got fired for it. No doubt if MS had been Prost and had the balls to say the same then it would have been Prost and Brawn leading Ferrari out of the dark ages instead.

 

He knows exactly how Ferrari works. That's funny now that he's on the other side of the fence!

 

After that race weekend, I have deduced Alonso is nothing short of either a scumbag driver, or just plain dumb. First, there was blocking against Schuey in qualifying. Schuey was faster than Rosberg throughout all the practices, and just as Schuey gets good heat in his tires for his third, and always fastest flying lap, he gets blocked. I am not saying he would have been put at the top of the order, but I am sure his lap would have been .4-.6 faster then it was placing him 2-4 in qualifying. I am sure Alonso knew this and wanted nothing to do with having to fight with Schuey.

Secondly, Alonso goes 3 wide into turn 1 causing a wreck and Schuey to lose a huge amount of ground then having to take a long pit stop. Schuey spends the remainder of the race being blocked by an inferior car driven by some idiot rookie kid driver. Really now, if you have a car that is clearly 5 seconds slower per lap, why are you going to do your best to block someone that you clearly know is superior and has a fighting chance to make up some ground? Come on Alonso. Schuey still goes on to set fastest lap in the race.

That race really makes me rethink my nuetral position I have always had for Alonso.

 

Ok...that was just a weird post.

 

Just to respond to that strange post....MS was the one who was 3 wide...alonso was in the middle...and fastest lap of the race??

Pos No Driver Team Lap Time Of Day Avg Speed Time
1 6 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 47 18:21:06 216.061 1:28.358
2 4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 53 18:30:06 215.742 1:28.489
3 2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 47 18:21:05 215.700 1:28.506
4 3 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 58 18:38:29 214.058 1:29.185
5 9 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 58 18:38:20 213.998 1:29.210
6 1 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 52 18:28:11 213.804 1:29.291
7 7 Felipe Massa Ferrari 52 18:28:31 213.216 1:29.537
8 11 Robert Kubica Renault 52 18:28:29 213.138 1:29.570
9 15 Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 55 18:33:48 212.865 1:29.685
10 8 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 47 18:21:01 212.812 1:29.707
11 17 Jaime Alguersuari STR-Ferrari 49 18:24:53 212.798 1:29.713
12 22 Pedro de la Rosa BMW Sauber-Ferrari 54 18:32:26 210.745 1:30.587
13 5 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 22 17:42:44 208.515 1:31.556
14 19 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 52 18:32:09 203.878 1:33.638
15 24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 37 18:08:28 202.597 1:34.230
16 20 Karun Chandhok HRT-Cosworth 48 18:29:07 200.860 1:35.045
17 25 Lucas di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 17 17:37:15 197.613 1:36.607
18 12 Vitaly Petrov Renault 6 17:17:16 185.110 1:43.132
19 14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 6 17:17:14 184.947 1:43.223
20 21 Bruno Senna HRT-Cosworth 4 17:13:52 129.626 2:27.276

 

Sorry. To clarify that was Schuey's fastest lap. I think that mess was avoidable had JB and FA been more mindful. Impossible to say who was more liable IMO.

 

Claiming Alonso cost McLaren 100 million in FIA fines is like saying Jeffrey Wigand cost the tobacco industry millions (if not billions) in fines for blowing the whistle.

Alonso didn't initiate Spygate. A disgruntled Ferrari employee did. Then McLaren management picked it up and run with it.

Even if Alonso hadn't gone public with it, the story would have come out very soon regardless. Way too many people and interests involved.

I don't get it how people can pick out these lap times and think they're meaningful. Worse yet are those who fabricate artificial lap times by combining sector times. There is a gazillion factors in play that determine sector and laptimes.

It is about as meaningful as me saying that in free fall I accelerate faster than Usaine Bolt out of the start.

What is meaningful however is the fact that the once so great driver MS in the 4th best car struggled half the race behind newbie Alguersuari in a ridiculous car. 5 years ago it would have cost MS about 2 corners and he would have put Jaime behind him. Lets face it: Schumi is over the hill. No workout in the gym can replace the degenerating synapses and reflexes.

 

Understood he didn't initiate it, but was involved. He used it to his advantage as to negotiate his contract with the team. He basically blackmailed the team. Thats just wrong.

 

Why would Alonso go public with the story? His issues with the team was with Hamilton.

 

I won't disagree with those facts and as I said earlier, none of these guys is a gentleman driver. Alonso is no Saint, nor is MS or Hamilton.

McLaren however deserved his tactics: They hired him as their #1 driver and when Hami was faster than anybody anticipated, they didn't do anything to reign him in. Alonso as 2 time WDC was right to expect preferential treatment compared to the newbie.

Also don't forget that it was the newbie who screwed Alonso at Hungary in qualifying. Alonso's response with delaying Hami's pitstop was just sweet revenge, yet Alonso looked like the villain thereafter. Hami was Dennis' "baby" so nobody called him on the floor, which they should have done.

 

He didn't go public with it. He went to Bernie.

To be perfectly honest I would have to look up the details. It all happened on Saturday afternoon in Hungary after qualifying. Alonso went to Bernie's motorhome. I believe somebody else joined (forgot whom) and then somebody made a call to Mosley.
There was another call, it was between Mosley and Dennis and he denied everything while Max played dumb. That got Max really started on the vendetta path.

Business F1 had the full details in a report, but I'm too lazy to dig it out.

 

That's just BS that Alonso was hired as their number one driver. Yes part of it was because he won a second world championship and the other part was money. Vodaphone was willing to sign a long term deal with Mclaren, which Alonso was part of. Ron Dennis has always made it very clear that there is no number 1 driver at his team. Alonso wanted to be number one driver and thats where the whole thing started.

 

Don't want to get involved in this off thread topic really.

But lets just say Hamilton took everyone, including RD by surprise with his amazing skill and racing pace, so much so it lost both of them the WDC that year.

 

If you think that way, then you probably also believe that Alonso and Massa have equal status at Ferrari.

 

How do all you geniuses know all this stuff?

amazing.

have you read the contracts? had a long and meaningful conversation with Alonso or Ron?

None of you know anything, but you talk up your opinions as fact.

It's probably just as well you guys are opinionated gits, because if this area had to rely on fact, it would be dead.