9000-10,000 year old artifact found in S Carolina made with material from NCarolina

Great story! Thanks for sharing! How about some pictures?!?!?

 

Remarkable.

Yes, post up some photos!

 

It wasn't that long ago, "experts" claimed man could not have arrived in the Americas before 10,000 years ago. Imagine that.

 

Cool story. I would love to see some photos as well!

 

Very Cool!! Thanks for sharing!

 

The basis of the "10,000 year theory" is this is when the land bridge between Russia and the US came into being. Problem is they have found 10,000-year old villages around the Tallahassee Florida area (and now SC). Those folks would have had to haul ass to get there that fast. So... it looks like folks got here so other way than the land bridge.

 

Human beings are the most manipulative and cunning creatures on earth. Scientists used to think they couldn't survive the glaciers blocking the Americans from the north. Well, they got here somehow, didn't they?

BTW, your Canada example is interesting because the glaciers didn't start melting until about 15k to 20k years ago. Before then, Canada was nothing but a sheet of ice.

 

True. But ancient man was a hunter / gatherer. Most likely they were just following food sources from one place to another trying not to starve.

 

True. But, human beings were just as smart as we are today, and just as lazy. Life revolved around 500 calories a day (people were smaller and skinnier). In the Garden of Eden (which based on satellite photos we think is underwater in the Persian Gulf), life was good. Trap some animals, pick some fruit, sit around and drink cave juice, the only thing missing was FaceBook.

But, around 15,000+ years ago, the North America was covered in a sheet of ice, sometimes over a mile deep. The Gulf of Mexico, south of Tallahassee, extended at least 100 miles further south than it does today. Thinking logically, which is always dangerous, if we have evidence of human existence near Tallahassee (which many believe was as far as the glaciers got) dating back 10,000+ years, it would appear reasonable to assume people were living in what is now deep in the Gulf of Mexico say 15,000 to 20,000 years ago. (Early humans liked waterfront property.) So how did they get there? If you discount flying saucers, they must have somehow walked or gotten there by boat.

Sorry, I can go hours on this stuff. I'm fascinated by prehistory.

 

I'm outraged! Look at what global warming has done to the earth!!

 

Hahaha! If you want I can discuss this more. Our knowledge of pre-history in the Americas is sketchy because the Spanish wiped out entire populations with smallpox. But we know late civilizations were highly organized.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippian_culture

The estimates of Cahokia range from 6,000 to 40,000 people. This may not sound impressive, but think about say 10,000 people peeing and pooping every day, not to mention the usual bs that goes on with neighbors. The bet is they were highly organized.

And when you start talking about this long of a time, you have to really stretch your mind. Imagine ancient bison, mastodon, ice age camel, and giant ground sloth around Tallahassee Florida. True confession time, I was an Anthropology major before I switched to accounting. I went with Anthro because they had the best looking hippie chicks (anybody remember hippie chicks?). But I never lost interest. It really is fascinating stuff.

 

I'd say it's more likely an atlatl dart tip. Spears were more a rigid shaft-whereas a dart flexes. The river cane from your area made and still makes great dart shafts. The points were attached to a removable shorter length of shaft, which in turn attached to the flexible dart shaft. The oscillations of the dart increased it's momentum and was more deadly, and able to be launched farther than a spear. This replaceable tip section saved having to remake an entire dart (which required quite a bit of extra work to straighten and gauge it) if the tip broke off in the prey. Atlatls are known to be in use well before the estimated age of your found tip.

Either way, it is awesome how the earth will churn stuff up after such a long time.
A while back Mastadon teeth, ribs, and tusk fragments were discovered not far from Chicago at Pratt Wayne Woods.
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Wow, you know your stuff!


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Well, thanks, but.....
Nah, I don't know enough to be worth much, and am worse at explaining things properly with written word. Like my comment about the oscillations of the dart. I could have better explained that the bending of the shaft is the storing of and the release of the stored energy imparted by the launcher or atlatl.

I started launching darts a little over a year ago, but just as I was getting the hang of it and tightening my groups, I injured a shoulder in another hobby. I had started reading on atlatls a few years ago, here and there, and gleaned what little I could. Other info was gleaned from watching First Nations channel and other shows where a group took down an elk in a survival type show. Having a little Potawatomi in me probably drives my interest in such things. Like for instance the petrogliphs in Texas, discovered to be paintings diagraming the constellations. I hope to get down to see thim this summer, during a trip to drive the Three Sisters.

I would love to have been with ProRallyCoDriver when he found this point. It's an incredible find in my opinion. Touching it, making that connection to an ancestral heritage possibly, or just realizing the length of time it has been hidden then turned up by the powers that exist to make this big ball that supports us function in it's entirity.....it all amazes me.

 

You express yourself very well. One life lesson is to never put yourself down, they are plenty of other people who can do that for you.

Your experiences in duplicating this stuff are exactly on point. The only way we know what we know today comes from researchers trying to recreate and use archaeological finds, which was not easy to do. Turns out ancient humans were just as smart (and emotional) as we are today. The main difference is fools died young back then. Doing stupid things was not healthy. Those who lived had enough common sense to come out of the rain.

 

For those who might be interested:

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/may/14/archaeology-florida-sinkhole-ancient-humans-mastodon-knife-bones-bering-strait

http://phys.org/news/2016-05-evidence-humans-southeastern-earlier-previously.html

 

This is an interesting graphic. No idea how accurate it is.

http://www.pinterest.com/pin/538672805416137579/

http://www.earthmagazine.org/article/first-americans-how-and-when-were-americas-populated

 

This is an incredible find. When I was in college in NC in '76, I went relic hunting in the back woods near a Civil War battlefield and found a mini ball, which I still have and thought it was cool to have something from 110 years earlier and fired in battle. To find something from 9000 years ago used to hunt in a time which has so little historical artifacts is remarkable. Hope it goes somewhere where others can appreciate it.

 

I'm so glad I stumbled across this thread! Thank you for posting. What an incredible find! What do you think you'll do with your relic?

 

It is interesting, isn't it? The thing that impresses me is the more I find out about ancient humans, the more I realize they were just like us. The only difference is technology.