Countach, the ultimate supercar

The Nor-Techs are one of the best, if not the best out in the market, IMHO.

Expensive but they are incredible. SO I applaud you for creating them. Much respect. Im looking at some used CC right now actually....... Between you and Statements. Tough choice.

Ok back to Countachs.

 

Thank you for saying that, coming from a Countach lover,owner,even more so, we are all gear heads , appreciating old world craftmanship, very small world, we are delivering a 56 cc quad 550 Cummins ,to the current ovner of Bertone,(Akka tecnologies)French company 13000 employees ) next week, super nice guy, and we did talk Countach last time he was here, one came in their take over,not shure wich variant,but will find out next week , will spend a few days with him and family on the water, now ,run and get that NorTech, my favorit fun all round cc the 34 trip 350, affordable 82 mph ,currently building one for myself, sorry guys,back to the Countach,

 

Lol, my first c32a's that I got from Pantropic were originally ordered for your first 80.

I know it's off topic, do you have pics or a link?

 

I will post lots of pictures next week,once launched, 100% complete, water tested twice already, will be run for 2 weeks in Florida,then shipped to St Tropes , originally in an Antonov cargo plane,now with more time,poss by ship.

 

Sorry, nor-techboats face book

 

Thats funny,my first 80 (1650) hp i belive,blew up the stb engine on the check out run with Caterpillar, i was on the back deck when it happened,lots of shaking, smoke then the rod was in the bilge,huge hole in the block, the second 80 has performed perfect,twin 1900 cats, 65 mph , amazing boat,Miami Key west 3 hrs, ok back to Lambos

 

Joe, if what you say is true about carbs, why are they not being used today? Are you telling us that the carb is more efficient? More reliable then fuel injection?

I think you are basing your opinions on the carb v's cis injected countach. Yes the carbs in that circumstance prove to be much better. However, install a modern mutilport fuel injection system in any countach and the results will astound.

 

Yup, we all got screwed with the first gen c30's.

 

Is this a real question? The same reason we can't buy new two stroke diesels or even new mechanically injected diesels, emissions.

 

Does it really matter if a Countach has 20 or 30hp more or less nowadays? How many of the Countach owners are driving their cars at the limit? I haven't seen one in the past few years. On top of that each new BMW M4 or M3 is quicker than the fastest standard Countach. The Countach is the car to have because of it's incredible appearance and character.

My dealer has two dynos, one is the usual thing which a lot of shops have and one is a really modern one which costs a multiple of a normal one. I asked him to dyno my DD on the modern one and he told me not to do it as I won't love my Countach more or less after it was on the dyno. And this is actually true, so I gave up my plan. In addition it's a stressful procedure for such old cars. And there are many differences between the different dynos. I can already imagine the endless discussions about the credibility of the result of the dyno in this forum...

FI or DD doesn't matter that much, in the end both versions are a Countach. Some guys might prefer an fi and some a dd for different reasons. In the end the market will decide which car is in more favor. I wouldn't mind at all to have both of them.

All Countach owners can be very happy to have such a great and iconic car! I'm always very happy when I see another Countach owner and his car regardless which model.

 

Well, you know, I'm 27 and I love carbs for some odd reasons. They are not good if you have altitude difference, they have bad mid-range, but they are fun. They can be cheaper/easier fine tuned to the what you need. Today we have a bunch of ECUs that can be made at home and tuned via laptop, in 80s you had Bosch L-Jetronic/Motronic, pre-mapped at the dyno. I.e. if you wanted to race it, you need to bring the dyno to your "Targa Florio".

Second, if you run big cams, the cylinders will rob charges from each other. In a single plenum that is a disaster. Because you couldn't run good ECUs at the time, like the ones they had in DTM at the time, you couldn't run individual throttle bodies. So carbs will make more power in racing engine if you are on a budget. But you will face some mid-range drivability issues that can be solved at the expense of fuel consumption.

There was something that changed my mind a while ago, not a Lambo though:
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That's 3.2L engine based on '78 Nissan 2.8 straight-6. It's a single cam engine with rocker arms, 2 valves per cylinder. And a man reached roughly 410 hp naturally aspirated on carbs.

I've spent years of my part-time on reading books and understanding how this was possible, I've spoken to him and knew all inside out. But it's not a miracle, it's possible when you do these engines for 25 years, lol. He makes his own cams, rocker arms, valves, numerous changes in combustion chamber design, ports. This guy is quite a legend in Japan. (He writes in famous magazines, every where he appears he's a well known man, and yes, he charges $15k for a cylinder head assembly)

And so how was that possible? A naturally aspirated engine can only create a limited amount of pressure to move the pistons, a theoretical value would be - mean effective pressure, if you include all the friction - brake mean effective pressure. Current top notch N/A racing engines, i.e. F1/Nascar/whatever, are on the level of 210 psi. Though this number can be surpassed, it's a matter of good design, but usually the power would be limited to that "maximum safe power limit". The man from Japan had got 210-218 psi on his high power engines, but a Pagani Zonda Revolucion with CLK-GTR is rated at even more. And when you are close to the limit, it doesn't really matter how many cylinders you have, valves and what are the revs - these are combustion limits. So if you know you stuff, you can run whatever you want, and carbs are not bad for racing purpose.

 

No,claim is as always,two cars,both with equal exhast,and bumpers, you need to get this straight, let me tell you just one more time, one fulie,one DD, both with headers,no cats and no dot Us bumpers, thats it,just like that, agree on the driver set up, i have not seen one post here,on this forum,ever claimed anything else, all good

 

Presumably 1121018...

 

Correct, and neither would anybody elses,with you involved.

 

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According to his site, this engine produced 700hp. I'm guessing that the engine went in the Countach beside it.
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I thoroughly enjoy these discussions, they're all in good fun. Regardless of the variant these discussions raise the tide for all Countach models.

F40 fans and owners have been squabbling for ages US vs Euro. Both of them are amazing and desirable cars even if the US car is a little slower.

Either vehicle can be modified back to the contemporary Euro spec if someone REALLY wants to. Not all modifications are bad modifications if done in good taste. That being said, the DD is faster from the factory stock.

These cars are simply products of their times. The fuelie Countach was the fastest car you could purchase in the US. I'm sure it was the same for the f40. Both companies did the best they could with the established laws at the time.

Here's an appropriate photo of an F40 and Countach from the old days at shop. The Countach is one of my favorites, a 5000S!
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