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Where are all the Pebble Beach Photographs?!?

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  1. ferrarip4

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    #126 ferrarip4, Aug 30, 2017
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    In the other hand the resemblance is too obvious to be ignored. I will suggest that Sergio, like most designers, is a proud man and would not admit he would be inspired by another car...

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  2. Lussolover

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    Relative to other people here I dunno crap.


    That being said if you think the the 0402 is ugly I truly recommend an eye exam. I would also refrain from using large knives / power tools or driving until you do so.


    Similarities can be seen between the overall size of 300slr and 0402 but really thats when you are looking in photos. 0402 is much sleeker and skinnier looking. The 300slr is more bubbly and doesn't have the curvature. Really I think over the rear wheel looks similar in photos and gives the impression of a similar shape. 300 slr looks shaped out of a big square where 0402 looks sculpted by the finest most elegant lines ever known to man

    0402 is stunning in person. After seeing it up close in beautiful light it's arguably one of the prettiest ferraris ever made


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  3. kare

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    I was not exactly guessing when I said that I would like to find solid proof for a claim about any connection between the Uhlenhaut Coupe and 0402AM.

    Lines of 0402AM had been penned long before Uhlenhaut was out and I don't think Mercedes released any premature material on their special coupe project.
     
  4. merstheman

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    The Uhlenhaut was a (very well made) mix-match of the street 300SL and race 300SLR. I agree and don't think that it necessarily influenced the design of the Ferrari, just a bit of a coincidence. They were designed for different purposes, anyway.

    I like the rear "fastback" treatment of the Mercedes, compared to 0402AM's "boxy" cabin design, but overall I prefer the Ferrari.
     
  5. ferrarip4

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    #130 ferrarip4, Aug 31, 2017
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    The people from ultimate-car-page claim that the Scaglietti people who converted the spider to coupe body of 0402AM were inspired by the SLR.

    It is also said that Sergio Farina was not responsible for the coupé body which was created by Scaglietti after the car was accidented...

    I believe the spider Pinin Farina body was more like this...
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  6. kare

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    #131 kare, Aug 31, 2017
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    Opinions, opinions, opinions.

    Would love to see documentation on the accident too. People always think an accident was needed to initiate a modification or building of a new body as they don't have the faintest idea how CHEAP it was to have a car rebuilt at the time. I am quite sure the car was not crashed before rebodying, several stories are being confused here. The idea of building a Berlinetta to replace the unworthy Pinin Farina body initiated late in 1954. By March-April 1955 it was in construction already, Uhlenhaut was released late in 1955, it had not been shown yet at the time of Le Mans (June 1955). How could Scaglietti be inspired by something that did not exist yet?

    ps. I have no idea why Sergio Farina - or any other person involved with Pinin Farina - would get mentioned here.
     
  7. ferrarip4

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    Reference to the accident:
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    Hemmings: https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2014/08/17/for-first-time-ever-a-ferrari-wins-pebble-beach-best-in-show/


    Reference to the SLR:
    Ferrari Ends Pre-war Domination of Pebble?s Best of Show

    The last link is very interesting....
     
  8. GIOTTO

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    They built two 300-SLR Coupe, both at the DB Museum. #0007/55 and #0008/55.
     
  9. kare

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    Words are cheap, looking for photographic evidence.
     
  10. GIOTTO

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    #135 GIOTTO, Aug 31, 2017
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    First one with blue interior. Second one with red interior. And some body details... They had the plan to race them at the Carrera Panamericana Mexico.
    I think that #0402AM has not much in common with the 300 SLR.
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  11. kare

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    Oops, I meant the claimed crash into a tree. Don't believe it ever happened. Links are worthless, same stories repeated over and over again...
     
  12. TTR

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    But, but, but,.... it's all over the interwebs, forums and even printed media, so it must be true, right ?
     
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    #139 superleggera, Aug 31, 2017
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    0402AM was crashed by Rossellini. There are pictures of the Pinin Farina coachwork pre-crash and post-crash that I've seen but do not have copies of myself.

    Story per Sergio from PB 1998: When he personally delivered the coupe to Rossellini at his Monaco hotel (he drove it the entire way), Roberto came down in his pajamas wearing a bathrobe to look at the Ferrari. He was enthused by it and jumped behind the wheel and took off while Sergio was still standing there -- and he waited and waited and waited. Apparently it was a good long while as he was greatly concerned that Roberto had crashed it again! (Sergio waving his arms when telling this) Finally Roberto reappeared and was ecstatic about the coupe. Only at that point was Sergio actually paid the balance due for the work he did. Sergio was truly concerned that if Roberto crashed it again that he might not get paid... and the money was very important to him to make sure all his workers were paid on time.
     
  15. Lusso123

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    Unfortunately a number of the Pebble Beach &#8220;Best of Show&#8221; winners have been modified from how they were originally built, and I am not referring to paint and interior colors. Some have suffered body modifications and other details. Historical accuracy (which is my thing) unfortunately takes a back seat to PB politics.

    I am not an expert on every car, but I do know the ones that I heavily reserach and make models of. Some discrepancies are very easy to see, and other take more work to find or to see.

    I personally spent a week of my time with 0402AM back in 1998. Photographing, drawing and measuring this car. I was commissioned to make a super detailed one-off 1:12th scale scratch built model of it. The commission was to make the car the way it was restored. I would have preferred to make it historically accurate as to how it looked when first built. The black and white photo showing the correct front grill shape of the car when it was built, was widely available in at least two books, which were both published many years before the first restoration. I am not looking to start an argument, or to debate this further, but photo(s) of the correct front were available when the restoration was performed. I also have a background in professional photography....
    The photo was a very good one, no distortion or other issues that some people have tried to use as a partial explanation.

    As far as people questioning the incorrect grill; this has been brought up in various conversations with some Ferrari experts. Also....there was an article written in detail about this car within recent years, after its PB win, and the incorrect grill shape was asked about, but not answered by parties with the car, hence it was not mentioned at all in the article. Rather disappointing, and I guess a case of more &#8220;politics.&#8221;
     
  16. tomgt

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    Great post!
     
  17. Christian.Fr

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    Lusso do you have a picture of this Diecast? You intriguing me ;)
    Some drawings also...:)
    I love both!
    Merci bien
     
  18. Aardy

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    Thanks for your interesting post. Any chance to see pictures of your one-off 1:12th scale scratch built model ?? Thanks in advance.
     
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    Thank you very much Giotto.

    OK, I remember now this incredible model ! Still a problem with the nose but very impressive work !! And scratch-built !! Crazy !

    There are also plenty of other jewels in this site !
     
  21. Lusso123

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    Yes, problem with the nose, but only because as I stated... that is the form I was commissioned to recreate.
     
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    Anyway, fantastic model ! Really !!
     
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    #148 Lusso123, Aug 31, 2017
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    *Not* a "diecast."

    Photo album of this model on my web site. Here is a direct link to my section: MB
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  24. kare

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    Sorry to be hard-headed, but for me this is just a story til I see the pictures AND can verify that it really is 0402AM that is shown in the post-crash picture.

    So many mis-identified photos have been used as documentation over the years, as there are not too many individuals who can reliably identify cars in photos and I am not aware of any educated scolars doing disciplined historical research since the passing of Gerald Roush. Human mind is so easily led to believe things that are not there and it only gets worse when there is money in the equation.

    I share the case of 0447GT as an example: when sold by RM auctions a few years ago factory photos of 0435GT were used as reference (s/n on clearly chalked on front tyre!) and the visual differences were explained by making a ridiculous claim that the bodywork was modified at the factory. I cannot understand how mistakes of this grade get published and nobody seems to care. Cantelli ownership - AFAIK - is yet another guess, at least I have never seen or heard of any solid proof on that.

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  25. Aardy

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    Have also a look to the history of 0534/M given by RM for the "Ferrari - Leggenda e passione" the next week.

    They mixed the story with another Monza !! Look especially the pic of the 1956 Gran Premio Supercortemaggiore. This Scaglietti spyder body with high flanks and large side vents didn't yet exist in the sequence of "0534" but who cares ??
     

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