caution regarding well-known detailers

Would you care to share who you are speaking of?

 

Jared McIver, I find it suspect that the issues are just now being surfaced, months after the detail work was completed. In regards to any damages, real or perceived, I have offered and attempted to rectify the issues even down to the replacement of your headlight. Which can be seen in my last email sent to you, which I have not received a response on. I have also refunded you the funds for the work completed on the film install, and I do not know what more you want me to do. I have done everything in my ability which was not to your satisfaction.

In regards to my liability coverage, there are members of this forum who have seen my current and previous liability coverages and are more than welcome to chime in on that matter. I have also attached my last email in attempts to put this bed.
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I have requested and been provided with copies of the declaration pages for Nick's liability coverage dating back to June of 2013.

To the OP, I would strongly caution you to tread very lightly moving forward. It's one thing to post your dissatisfaction with someone's workmanship, but some of your claims are potentially libelous.

 

I would check if your detailer has a valid drivers license, has valid insurance at his facility, cause if something bad happens to your car is in his care you will not get any compensation. And if you try to sue him personally you will also get nothing becaue he has nothing.

There is a detailer who I would avoid because:
- he drove a cutomers GTR to AWD Meet a few years back and launced it from every red light intersection. His abuse caused a transmission malfuntion.
- he drove a customers Acrtic Silver M3 and destroyed it
- he has customers pay for a very expensive detail and does nothing to the car excecpt clean it and polish it with a spray gloss.

Keep in mind that this post may be picked apart and called a troll. But it is all true. Use your common sense and ask your detailer to prove that they have a drivers license and valid insurance. Espically get verifation of insurance if you are storing your car at his facililty.

 

I know nothing at all about Oakes Detail but, allow me to say we used a detailer in Manheim, PA who did excellent work on our 575 and our T-Bird. Thorough, timely and reasonable. He expanded and started preparing cars for the auction. Then,he started selling cars. He hired illegals and began an assembly line routine. When he lost our floor mats and failed to rep-lace them, that was it. Never again since we were one of his first customers and he let us down. Rule: No good thing lasts very long.

 

hoo boy, this could have been interesting. I was just warming up the popcorn when 12.3:1 got whacked by the big ol' ban stick.

Was it the generally bad behavior that got him smacked, or the posting of specific user info that did it?

Since the court info is public, that's not really a banning offense, is it?

Why not just let the guy dig a giant hole and bury himself in it?

Dave

 

agreed; I don't understand the ban. The 0384 thread in vintage is loaded w/ libel, but is allowed to keep on chugging - over 2500 posts now. One of the main posters in that thread has posted personal info/messages - those posts have been redacted, but he was never banned.

 

I do have a problem with the poster putting a nonredacted public document containing the targets birth date among other things.

 

Just got a note from Robert.

simple 2 day cooling off period, which is not inappropriate given the tone the OP was taking.

He will be free to continue his diatribe in less than 48 hours.

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But it is a public document.

If he had simply posted, "Geez, you all should search the public record for XYZ" would that have been better?

I do agree that we try to keep ourselves to a higher standard here. We're friends, if only on the internet, and posting this kind of stuff does seem to overstep that bound.

don't like it, but don't think it's a technical violation of the TOS or TOU.

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48 hours isn't too long to wait.

I'm gonna go out to the lobby and get some snacks, then I'll be back for the thrilling conclusion to this tale.

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Ohh Boy, more hysterical rants. I only read this because Dave posted, but never again.

In my opinion, if he wants to post information he could start with his name, town and the last time he attended Cars&Coffee. BTW, what does 12.3:1 mean? Something about a conspiracy theory?

 

Whether the document itself is public is not the issue. Whether it makes sense to post personal information online when it can simply be redacted is my concern. Common sense would dictate that nothing good can come from it.

 

Just thought I'd highlight the issue with the OP.

He's not looking for something good to come from it, and common sense seems to be sorely lacking.

Again, goes back to community. Guy comes on here, posts a lot of smack, then goes postal. Community pushes back.

System works.

Posting personal information has happened here before. There was a particularly grouchy user here that took offense to some of MY postings and put as much of my personal info into a post as he could. Mods deleted it.

We used to delete ANY personal information that wasn't posted by the person to whom that info belonged. Guess that's not the policy now.



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12.3:1 is a compression ratio.

FF is 12.3:1

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Ahh! . . . being a gearhead I like that! The rest . . .

Yes, I said I wouldn't come back here, but I always like to read Dave's posts from sunny Florida. Dave, can you include a few photos of bikini clad natives in your next post?

 

I just found this thread. I have say I have had Nick do paint corrections on 3 f my ferrari ' s and he has always done an excellent job. Best ever type jobs. Just my .02
Happy thanksgiving to All

 

Nothing edited, nothing deleted, as Dave said I felt a cooling off for language and tone would be a good idea.

 

I have been contacted privately and private messaged regarding this thread, so to the extent people give a crap about my opinion, I thought I would state it publicly.

Nick is a great detailer. He is meticulous and it shows in the results. My Testarossa has won numerous awards under his stewardship and he maintains three of my other cars as well. Nick the detailer is exceptional. However, he is not superhuman. Do I doubt that over the years mistakes have been made? Of course not. We all do, in every aspect of our daily lives. When mistakes get made, IMHO Nick tries his best to remedy the problem and make the customer happy, which is what he apparently tried to do in this case. The customer is not happy and wants to carp about it months later on F-chat and elsewhere. Apparently, he has an extraordinary amount of free time. Well, that is his prerogative and, as long as he stays in bounds nobody, including Nick, has a right to complain. However, if it extends beyond that to personal attacks, we should all have a problem with that because this isn’t romper room. FWIW, if Nick screwed up my car, he would probably find his body deep in a ditch somewhere, but everyone who touches my car runs that risk—including my idol, Tony at Algar. I get the OP’s frustration, I just think it is horribly misdirected.

As for the driver’s license issue. Whether he has one or not has no bearing on whether he can work a buffer, so it is of no moment to me. However, to the extent he has driven customer cars, his failure to disclose his driver license status is obviously problematic because it impinges on his credibility and could possibly impact his liability coverage. it as also a really F-ing stupid thing to do. I have spoken with Nick about this. In fact, even before this license issue came up, I expressed my concern that he should never drive a customer car for any reason as it is an accident waiting to happen. I think he finally gets that now, which is why the shop secured a trailer to move cars to and from the shop. He just better have someone else driving the truck!

As for his shop’s liability coverage. I have reviewed the declaration pages, I have not gone as far as to contact the insurance agent. I just don’t have that kind of time.

As for the issue of what cars he owns, doesn’t own, blah. Blah, blah…PLEASE SPARE ME … the “new and improved” Cars and Coffee has more embellishment than a fishing trip. Unless Nick can operate a buffer better from a GT3 than in the shop, I could give a crap what he owns.

I don’t know if Nick will respond to this thread, I think he would be a moron to do so. I called him and told him he needs to discuss the allegations in this thread openly and honestly with his customers and not online, which I hope he does.

As an aside, IMHO warning people of a potential problems with a service provider is a public service all of us appreciate, trying to whip up the mob with innuendo and gossip is better served to people who get their news from US Magazine. It should be beneath us.

At the end of the day, he is not running for office, he is detailing cars. If you think he does a good job, use him, if you don’t, don’t. Ask around, get references and make your own decisions. If you have concerns about his liability coverage do your due diligence as you would with any service provider.

My life will not change one bit if Nick’s business succeeds or fails. However, I do see a young guy with a growing business who has great potential. Whether he fulfills that is squarely on his shoulders, but I am optimistic. He is, however, now on notice that he is going to have to step up his game and be more responsible in his personal and professional life. In that respect, there is a silver lining to this thread.

As a final note, it bears repeating that when another well-known detailer offered a free paint correction/ detailing package at a charity event for an animal shelter and then refused to honor it, I contacted Nick.

Nick, who wasn’t even a sponsor for the event and did not look for anything in return, took on the job free of charge. Nick has always been among the first to volunteer for any charity event I organize. So if I appear biased towards him in this spat, forgive me, but I’d rather hitch my wagon to the guy who donates three days of his life to fulfill a charity’s commitment than some dude who suddenly remembered to get pissed off about a detailing job performed months ago.

Just my .02, take it for what it is worth.