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  1. Burch1

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    #1 Burch1, Dec 13, 2013
    After receiving my copy of the supplement to the Ferrari serial number manual 1947-2007 recently I went through it as well as the original book to find all the Valeo's manufactured.
    There were 28 total units produced.
    19 were LHD.
    4 were RHD.
    And 5 were unlisted as to the drive:

    S/N Drive
    90812 RHD
    91953 LHD
    92354 LHD
    92393 LHD
    92409 LHD
    92441 LHD
    92837 LHD
    92964 RHD
    93123 LHD
    93501 LHD
    93573 LHD
    95062 RHD
    95422 RHD
    95533 LHD
    95661 LHD
    95843 ?
    95903 LHD
    95924 LHD
    95971 ?
    96074 LHD
    96148 ?
    96190 LHD
    96218 LHD
    96235 LHD
    96250 LHD
    96325 LHD
    97062 ?
    97397 ?

    Hank - if you want to double check my numbers I would appreciate it!
    Cheers,
    Greg
     
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  2. hank sound

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    #2 hank sound, Dec 13, 2013
    Hi Greg,

    You're way ahead of me, in that I still don't have the supplement :( Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place for it ..............

    Cheers, Hank
     
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  3. Burch1

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    #3 Burch1, Dec 14, 2013
    Well, if we assume (I know what that does) that the LHD units + the unknown ones were all the US then that makes 24 Valeo's that came to the states.
    That jives with the Ferrari Buyers Guide mention of Valeo models...
    The saga continues.
    Greg


     
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    #4 GDRIII, Dec 14, 2013
    Greg, thanks for sharing your research. This is the best information I've seen yet.

    George
     
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    #5 Burch1, Dec 15, 2013
    Assume your black Valeo made the s/n list George?
    Btw, love your garage - very sweet, and nice collection of vehicles!
    Cheers,
    Greg
     
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    #6 GDRIII, Dec 15, 2013
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    Yes mine is on the list. In the original Registry book it is shown as a 92 Red/tan...in the search it's been revised to 92 "Red then Nero/Tan". I believe the date/year shown in the Registry is the build date not necessarily the Model year since mine is documented as a 93 model. I found it a bit confusing.

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  7. hank sound

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    #7 hank sound, Dec 15, 2013
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    Hi Greg - - and you're right about assumptions ! :):) LHD does not necessarily = USA delivery. I remember speaking with someone who was involved in Ferrari sales in the San Francisco area during the early 90s. He spoke of a total USA Valeo delivery number, being at seven (7). I realize that isn't necessarily the word of Ferrari. I'll call Scotland Yard and the CIA. Wouldn't it be great fun to solve this "simplistic" mystery? !!! My God, this isn't about "how many people were involved in the caper?" !!!! It's just about how many cars, of a given type, were produced by a factory in a given period of time and delivered to a specific market. There's got to be something better than "I believe".

    Interestingly, over the nine years that I've had my Valeo t, Rachel (93123), I've not, at any time, seen more than 5 different vin numbered Valeo cars (in the US) for sale. George's (GDRIII) car is an example of a long held, loved and not for sale car. As such, she slips under the "for sale radar". His car is in his family, as is Rachel in mine - not on a car lot. How many more of these B-1 bomber Valeo cars are out there, ?????? Whatever, Valeo - is our new B-1 bomber ! My Rachel, living in So. Cal., stands "low slung", a proud member of the Valeo Registry.

    Happy Holidays,

    Hank
     
  8. Burch1

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    #8 Burch1, Dec 15, 2013
    The original book shows it as a '93 red/tan but the supplement has it as a '92 red then Nero/tan with an "A" note meaning "record has received sustain additions".
    Mine, 92409 did not show in original book but was listed in supplement as a "N" new listing.
    All in the spirit of Italian book keeping probably performed by the electrical engineers on their off days ;-).
    Cheers,
    Greg

    QUOTE=GDRIII;142792997]Yes mine is on the list. In the original Registry book it is shown as a 92 Red/tan...in the search it's been revised to 92 "Red then Nero/Tan". I believe the date/year shown in the Registry is the build date not necessarily the Model year since mine is documented as a 93 model. I found it a bit confusing.

    George[/QUOTE]
     
  9. Burch1

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    #9 Burch1, Dec 15, 2013
    Hank, yes, wrong to assume that most of the LHD's came to the US as most of the world outside of UK, Ausi, HK, Singapore, India, Philippines, and Japan are LHD.
    I remember reading that the US accounted for half of Ferrari's sold until recently when China got into cars. If we use that thinking then the number may be closer to the 7 you mention.
    Let me know what M7 comes back with!
    Cheers,
    Greg

    QUOTE=GDRIII;142792997]Yes mine is on the list. In the original Registry book it is shown as a 92 Red/tan...in the search it's been revised to 92 "Red then Nero/Tan". I believe the date/year shown in the Registry is the build date not necessarily the Model year since mine is documented as a 93 model. I found it a bit confusing.

    George[/QUOTE]

     
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    #12 GDRIII, Dec 16, 2013
    Rare indeed! Could only happen in Ca.
     
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    #13 GDRIII, Dec 16, 2013
    Wait a minute. Greg & I live within 120 miles of each other. Who knows?
     
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    #14 alexion, Dec 16, 2013
    I am the current owner of serial# 95533, since Oct 2012. When I purchased the car, I wasn't looking for it, but rather, it found me. As time has progressed, I have learned a great deal about the rarity and the first hand pleasure of owning such a unique vehicle. My other car is an Alpina B7 with 500HP, so initially as a basis of comparison, there was none. I figured I would sell it and move on to something newer, with a clutch, that I might enjoy more. For this reason, it is currently listed for sale with an add set to expire in August.
    Truth be told, this car has grown on me and now truly fascinates me. I don't think there is anything else quite like it, nor will there ever be. The nostalgia and sense of comradity for being part of such an elite brand of automobile is unparalled. Luckily, this car has been properly maintained prior to my ownership and fortunately it will continue to be under my ownership. So far I have done a minor service, battery, and a full detail which I found to be exciting. I look forward to having my first major performed this spring and will have documentation in the form of pictures, receipts, and personal notes with no expense spared.
     
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    #15 Burch1, Dec 16, 2013
    Hank,
    I just noticed that the book lists LDH and US or EU so we can solve the mystery!
    Give me some time to sort through it...
    Cheers,
    Greg

     
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    #16 Burch1, Dec 16, 2013
    After digging a bit further and looking at the VIN's here is what we know:

    US 18
    UK 3
    CH 1
    EU 3
    UNKWN 3
    TOTAL 28

    And the details are:

    S/N Drive Country VIN 4TH DIGIT DESIGNATION
    90812 RHD UK
    91953 LHD US
    92354 LHD US
    92393 LHD US
    92409 LHD US
    92441 LHD US
    92837 LHD US
    92964 RHD UK
    93123 LHD US
    93501 LHD US
    93573 LHD NONE ZFFRK33A0P0093573 R US
    95062 RHD NONE ZFFKC33C000095062 K EU
    95422 RHD UK
    95533 LHD US
    95661 LHD US
    95843 ? NONE ZFFRK33A2P0095843 R US
    95903 LHD NONE N/A
    95924 LHD US
    95971 ? NONE ZFFRK33A0P0095971 R US
    96074 LHD NONE ZFFRK33A8P0096074 R US
    96148 ? NONE ZFFRK33A0P0096148 R US
    96190 LHD EU
    96218 LHD CH
    96235 LHD US
    96250 LHD NONE N/A
    96325 LHD US
    97062 ? NONE ZFFKC33B000097062 K EU
    97397 ? NONE N/A

    Still 3 unknown if anyone can add further data.
    Thanks!
    Greg
     
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    #17 WIZ, Mar 16, 2014
    #95062 is an ex singapore display car and sits in my shed in New Zealand
     
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    #18 WIZ, Mar 16, 2014
    mine is listed i the above list it is a 1993 built 92 mondial red/tan #95062
    RHD 3.4L V8 Valeo clutch first sold in Singapore 12/93
     
  19. Burch1

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    #19 Burch1, Mar 16, 2014
    What is a "display" car please?
    Cheers,
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    #20 robbio99, Mar 16, 2014
    Do we know which are coupes in the list?
     
  21. Burch1

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    #21 Burch1, Mar 17, 2014
    I could only find one non-US car listed as a "coupe" the other 2 don't list cabriolet or coupe:

    S/N Drive Country VIN 4TH DIGIT DESIGNATION Coupe
    90812 RHD UK
    91953 LHD US
    92354 LHD US
    92393 LHD US
    92409 LHD US
    92441 LHD US
    92837 LHD US
    92964 RHD UK
    93123 LHD US
    93501 LHD US
    93573 LHD NONE ZFFRK33A0P0093573 R US
    95062 RHD NONE ZFFKC33C000095062 K EU
    95422 RHD UK ?Coupe?
    95533 LHD US
    95661 LHD US
    95843 ? NONE ZFFRK33A2P0095843 R US
    95903 LHD NONE N/A
    95924 LHD US
    95971 ? NONE ZFFRK33A0P0095971 R US
    96074 LHD NONE ZFFRK33A8P0096074 R US
    96148 ? NONE ZFFRK33A0P0096148 R US
    96190 LHD EU Coupe
    96218 LHD CH ?Coupe?
    96235 LHD US
    96250 LHD NONE N/A
    96325 LHD US
    97062 ? NONE ZFFKC33B000097062 K EU
    97397 ? NONE N/A


    Cheers,
    Greg
     
  22. Roy balboul

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    #22 Roy balboul, Jul 1, 2014
    Just to update your list I reside in Canada and own#92441.
     
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    thanks

     
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