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  1. Antwan

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    #1 Antwan, Jul 26, 2014
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    It took me half an hour to pick up my first spanner but soon got in to the swing. In fact it only took about 6 hrs and was a one man job (excluding making a timber trolley for it to sit on).
    Big respect to the guy who did this recently without a car lift!!
    No special tools, just had to buy 1 larger spanner for the air con hose, thats it.

    The intention is to give it some tlc. The car is not unreliable but i am finding more and more bits that could have left me by the side of the road so more preventative maintenance.

    I will post on this thread pics of the jobs i get up to.

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  2. MvT

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    #2 MvT, Jul 26, 2014
    Awesome! How high did you needed to lift the body to get the engine rolling out? We are thinking of buying such a lift. Nice work Antwan!
    Keep on coming with the pics please :)
     
  3. billh1963

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    #3 billh1963, Jul 26, 2014
    I like that number plate....clever!
     
  4. enzo360

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    #4 enzo360, Jul 26, 2014
    Great stuff, seems like a lot of mondial owners are tinkering themselves now. I really could you a lift, but without having the space that's out of the question. Will certainly be following this thread as well.
    Best
    Jurgen
     
  5. enzo360

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    #5 enzo360, Jul 26, 2014
    Great stuff, seems like a lot of mondial owners are tinkering themselves now. I really could you a lift, but without having the space that's out of the question. Will certainly be following this thread as well.
    Best
    Jurgen
     
  6. David Lind

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    #6 David Lind, Jul 26, 2014
    Any bets on how long it will take to get the engine back in? I'm guessing with all lines, hoses, etc hooked up and fluids in it will take 14 hours.
     
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    #7 guygowrie, Jul 26, 2014
    Love engine out threads!
     
  8. Antwan

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    #8 Antwan, Jul 26, 2014
    I can let you know the exact measurement soon. The engine needs to be on a trolley about 230mm tall to get it about level to disconnect the chassis bolts so if I remember correctly it is about 900mm to the base of the valance around the exhaust. I have a single garage with flat roof. The car was as high as it could go without lifting the roof too and I had about 40mm to spare.

    I couldn't do without the lift, they are good quality, I wouldn't say exceptional. I chose this one as the safety mechanism is a solenoid and it runs off 240v. No comp air needed.

    Agree, reassembly will take a month or so!
    Ant
     
  9. 903L

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    #9 903L, Jul 26, 2014
    Wow! Looks great so far! I admire your bravery. Best of luck. Hope all goes well. :D
     
  10. Antwan

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    #10 Antwan, Jul 31, 2014
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    Engine almost completely undressed and ready for cleaning before bits are stripped off for powder coating.

    Started, alternator to be sent off for refurb. Lots of hoses and replacement gaskets needed.

    Lots of oil leaking from lots of places!

    I need to source a rear exhaust manifold as I'm not sure how its holding together.

    A cool picture of the Bosch K Jetronic fuel injection system which is attached to the engine, other bits remain on the chassis. Not too much to it really. Aux air valve stuck closed and in need of replacement. Nissan use similar units i believe.

    Every hose to be replaced. Most have heat or abrasion damage.

    Second picture shows some small spacer washers within the rubber gaskets under the plenum. These can easily fall into the intake and cylinders if valves are open. If you are thinking of taking the plenum off maybe to paint it, BEWARE!!!!!!! You may end up with more work than you anticipated.

    Any hints, tips and things to look out for... Keep 'em coming! Thanks

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  11. Bell Bloke

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    #11 Bell Bloke, Jul 31, 2014
    That's a bloody great no.plate that, and an even better car lift!
    Nice work man ;-)
     
  12. DavidJ

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    #12 DavidJ, Jul 31, 2014
    While everything is out, I suggest replacing all, and I really mean ALL of the fuel lines. Modern fuels kill the old rubber. So; filler lines, tank crossover lines, vapor return lines, you get the picture.
    My car is a "T" variant and I had a cracked fuel rail. I could not have seen it with the engine inside the car. You might check every where fuel touches and change anything that looks suspect. Fires are not nice.

    My 2 cents.

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  13. ronfrohock

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    #13 ronfrohock, Jul 31, 2014
    My car sprung a leek about a month ago. It's been out of service for about a month and a half. Getting new fuel lines and a new wheel bearing. Hoping to get it back soon. Ethanol fuel is the devil!




     
  14. enzo360

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    #14 enzo360, Aug 1, 2014
    Antwan,
    while mine is (soon to be completely) out I'm doing the engine bay and the 'Bell style' bottom plates as well. Maybe something to consider.
    Best
    Jurgen
     
  15. David Lind

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    #15 David Lind, Aug 1, 2014
    Can you, by any chance, please get a photo showing where the passenger compartment side crankshaft sensor bolts into engine the block? I'm having a lot of trouble getting to it w/ the engine in, & I think a photo might help.
    This request has been in both the Mondial & Technical Discussion threads for about q week, but no photos appear to be out there.
    I would really appreciate it!
    Thanks: David
     
  16. 350HPMondial

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    #16 350HPMondial, Aug 1, 2014
    Air valves for the pulse injection are from a 1978,,, jeep Grand Cherokee with the old style body. Ferrari didn't make smog parts.
    ;)
    The other Aux Air Valve is BOSCH,, or from Mercedes Benz parts bin.

    You have the correct aluminum fuel distributor for the Euro cars.
    Don't mix up your fuel injectors.
    Do your shift shaft seals.
    Differential seals.
    Change rod nuts to ARP,, if you dig that far.
    Whew.....!



    Good luck.
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  17. Antwan

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  18. Antwan

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    #18 Antwan, Aug 1, 2014
    My heart isnt in it tonight! Its hard to figure out when to stop.
    There is so much oil on the outside of the engine, its hard to understand what is leaking.
    Would you change the head gaskets/head bolts? Do head gaskets leak like other gaskets do i.e. water/oil seeping out the interface?

    Certainly all hoses are off.
    Fuel lines will be replaced as i have started smelling fuel when cornering hard and one fuel line has been resting against my gear shift shaft and almost worn through.

    Any tips for draining the tanks, unfortunately i left them about a quarter full, buggar.
     
  19. David Lind

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    #19 David Lind, Aug 1, 2014
    Antwan:
    Thanks a million! Gotta love FChat & the internet; one person from half way around the world helping a complete stranger just because of the Ferrari brotherhood. I really appreciate it. BTW, I grew up in England & sang in the choir at St. George's Headstone Church in Harrow, so I'm an anglophile from way back. And, oh yeah, and I have a Europa TC.
    Rule Britannia! Forza FChat!
     
  20. Antwan

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    #20 Antwan, Aug 2, 2014
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    David, its not a issue. Goes for anyone else too. I get enough help from this forum!

    More pics at various stages of undress.

    I do need help on a couple of bits

    1) Which the best joint to split to remove the half shaft. I have taken all wishbone bolts out, i thought the half shaft would be floating in its position like an old BMW i had but not so.

    2) There are two water header pipes in the valley, i suspect one might have been weeping so i am trying to remove it to change gaskets but i guess with water and dissimilar metals, it is absolutely stuck. I thought of trying to remove the studs but they are not long enough to get 2 nuts on. any ideas gratefully received.

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  21. 350HPMondial

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    #21 350HPMondial, Aug 2, 2014
    To drain your tanks.
    Use your fuel pump first, when it stops drawing fuel, you still have about one gallon left.
    ( I remember... A whole Lota fuel left.)
    Shut off all pilot lights on you gas water heater etc.
    Not kidding.
    Last put a drain pan under the tank cross connect hose, 1.5" I believe,, now cut that hose in half, drain all fuel into pan, take pan outside now.

    Now, finish removing that old cross connect hose.
    Done.
    Light up a smoke,,,,, aaaaaaaa nope.
    ;)

    Edwardo
     
  22. Antwan

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    #22 Antwan, Aug 2, 2014
    Great advice thanks.
    Ah man that's not going to be a relaxing job.
     
  23. MvT

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    #23 MvT, Aug 2, 2014
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    Ehmm well.... If I may.. Using the fuel pump till the end is not really a good idea. :) These fuel pumps are fuel cooled sort of speak. You just need seconds without fuel and sparks may come off.. then it was useless to shut off all pilot lights on you gas water heater etc. :) So don't use it to fully empty it. Stop using it just before it is empty.

    Drain it. There is a drain plug on the drivers side (UK) in the middle near your shift shaft. Just cleaned my tank this weekend and changed all the hoses. Recorded it on tape just need to find some time to edit it.

    Soak your header pipes with this. Next day they should come off however still might be sticky.
    Best Penetrating Oil & Rust Inhibitor Spray | WD-40 Specialist

    Not sure if you can use this in combination with aluminum..
    Rust Remover | Rust Removal & Dissolver | Clean Rust Off From Metal

    Regarding your fuel hoses. Better replace them all ;) There is a breather hose behind the heat shield to the fuel filler and a smaller one in the back of the engine bay. Some people will scratch behind their ear now :). I can only say.. be scared! This is what I took of today.

    15mm internal diameter fuel hose: (I used 2,5 meters)
    Sytec Fuel Hose Black Cotton Overbraid 15mm Petrol Pipe FH016 - Motorsport-Tools.com

    HTH
    Tijn

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdlxZxXHNU8]Draining fuel from a Ferrari Mondial 3.2 - YouTube[/ame]
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  24. Antwan

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  25. Bell Bloke

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    #25 Bell Bloke, Aug 6, 2014
    I've got car lift envy.........
     
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