Mondial is best selling Ferrari from 80-90.

..."benchmark for automakers to follow" might be going a bit far...

 

uhmm there is a reason there the Mondial is on the Museum floor!

gotta love the long production of a successful model!

yes I own a FERRARI MONDIAL!

 

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I love the Ferrari Mondial, but this thread is rather selective of the length of production vs. the actual number of cars sold. How many other Ferraris were in production for 13 years?

Just my $0.02


Joe

 

Joe it was in the #1 post

"Relative to its more desirable 2 seaters, the Mondial 4 seaters held its own quite well IMO.
Ferrari Testarossa (1984-1996) Sales 9,957
Ferrari 308 (1975-1985) Sales 7,412"

 

Increased production span lead to more units being sold but even so, there's no arguing the Mondial was a commercial success for Ferrari. It was maybe more desirable then that we perceive nowadays, and more appreciated and desired than today as a vintage car. Back in its day I bet people didn't get as caught up with half the issues we concern ourselves about the Mondial. The Mondial has all the right ingredients to be valuable in the future: old age and desirable when it was first sold. Cars trading for six figures nowadays also followed that recipe at some point.

Kind regards,

Nuno.

 

Except that those figures are simply plainly wrong!

Ferrari 308 sales from 1975 to 1985 were absolutely not 7412!
7412 is the 328 production from 1985 to 1989 (7412 cars, that is 1344 GTB + 6068 GTS = 7412, even if the true figure is 7413 because there is one factory produced cabriolet to add)

The Ferrari 308 sales from 1975 to 1985 were: 12149
to which should be added their italian-market only cousins, that is:
300 2-litres V8 without Turbo
687 2-litres V8 Turbos.
Making 13136 cars with the 308 body in total

If you add the "Turbos Intercoooler" for the Italian market (1136 cars) to the 7413 328, you get 8549 cars with the 328 body.

Grand total production for the whole 308/328 family over fourteen years: 21685 cars.

(and the 328 factory cabriolet prototype alluded above, still alive and going well in Italy today, never was produced in serie because Ferrari marketing men feared that it would have killed the "Mondial cabriolet" sales, which, to their eyes, would have signified the end of the whole "Mondial" production)

Rgds

 

FIGURES FOR THE 308 GTB/GTS IN THIS TABLE ARE WRONG AND MIXED WITH THOSE OF THE 328!!!

 

FIgures above are true and accurate, to the best of my knowledge (= no-one knows exactly the true number of 308 GTBs, steel and glass cars together, see Robert Retzlaff 308 GTB site for this)

 

I'm blown away by the number of Dinos! I never would have guessed that there were that many produced. Since it states 66-80, it must encompass all the variants (206/246/308).

2cam

 

As for the figures for the 308, the figures for the Dinos on that list are a joke. These are PLAINLY WRONG.
This whole list of productions figures is just popycock!

True figures for Dinos are:

206 GT = 152 build
246, total = 3761 (that is 2295 GT and 1274 "Spiders")
308GT4 = 2826
208GT4 = 840

Grand total "Dinos" = 8579.

Rgds

 

You must be joking; as if I have not done this many times...I've been researching their production numbers for years. I say it again, the list you have posted is a joke, it is plainly WRONG, especially for Dinos, and 308s.
And, by the way, I could have given here the production figures for Mondials by calendar year, by version, etc...but I won't, since you prefer to believe that list...

May I suggest that you have a look at the productions numbers page on this very site?

Rgds

 

I'm not shouting numbers from "what I remember"; I have many sources that I have cross examined over the years, including first and foremost the factory figures, which, as anyone having the slightest interest in production numbers knows, are not very accurate especially for the seventies. Those factory figures were published over the years in a number of books and magazines, notably, for the 308/328 in "Autos, die Geschichte machten, die Ferrari 308 und 328" by Dirk -Michael Konradt, Motorbuch Verlag, 1990.
Over the years, they were checked and cross checked by a number of specialists, who have commented and criticised them.

There are multiple examples for the discrepancies in some factory figures, the first one is the 308 GTB production numbers for which the factory itself has given different figures along the years; see Robert Retzlaff excellent site on the 308 GTB just to have an idea of how complicated it can be.
There is also the 1980 year and the passage to the injected models, for which adding the factory figures and those of the importeres simply do not match.

For the record, I have production figures by calendar year for the whole 308/328/ Mondial family for each model, each version, some market variant of all the family. I have also a list by chassis number of more than 5000 Ferraris 328 of the 7412 built.

Anybody slightly familiar with the Ferrari production numbers will immediately see that on the list you have posted, 7412 is not the production of the 308, but the total of the 328 production: somebody has mixed the figures, it is that plain and simple. For the Dinos, their numbers also make no sense at all.

That list is worthless, even if right for some models: the production of the 348 and 355 is right, for instance.

Trust my word or don't, I don't care; what would be a pity is that someone with some interest in production figures would believe that list, especially for Dinos and 308: it is simply wrong.

Rgds

 

Mike posted the numbers to the best of his knowledge, and I found his iniciative very commendable and I appreaciate his efforts. If he is indeed wrong, ok... Then post an alternative source and lets discuss and analyse the numbers with calm and good intentions, no need to post one thousand times he's wrong. If this endeavour of learning the true production and selling numbers of Ferraris by model is simply too hard to know accurately, then lets work together to find the most scientific data we can find, instead of becoming judgemental regarding efforts made by member A or B, who took their time and attention to be helpful to the community.

Kind regards,

Nuno.

 

Nuno,

Anyone having the slighest interest in the produvtion figures a) knows what damages wrong lists may do over the times once published and repeated and b) knows the factory figures by heart...so there is a need to stop wrong lists immediately.

For those interested in the factory official production figures for the Mondial, here they are by calender year, NOT model year:

Mondial 8: Total 703
1980: 25
1981: 569
1982: 92
1983: 17

Mondial QV: Total 1774, coupes 1145, cabriolets 629
1982: Coupes 308, Cabrio 1
1983: 366 / 66
1984: 302 / 334
1985: 169 / 228

Mondial 3,2: Total 1797, coupes 987, cabriolets 810
1985: Coupes 120, cabrios 80
1986: 303 / 251
1987: 269 / 273
1988: 295 / 206

Mondial T coupes total 858, cabriolets 1017
Of which, as an aside, the 40 first euros T are without catalysator and therefore more powerful
Rgds

 

Good info. Shall I suggest that you become a contributing member at Wikipedia? As a knowledge-based platform they've acquired an excellent reputation and is considered to be an accurate resource as well.

But nothing is perfect, and "history" often requires updates from time to time.

BTW, any idea how many Black 1988 Saudi Arabian spec (270 Hp) Coupes were built?

 

Can we take it down a notch or two.

I think Mike was simply showing how popular the Mondi was during its production years.
I agree that correct numbers are important but can we be cool about it?

Let's not get into the uncivilized back and forth that ties up a lot of Fchat. As an example, see the Ferraris for sale section, the 348 for sale with salvage title.
Wow!

DavidJ

 

It's all my fault, see my response (post #2) this this thread:

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/348-355-sponsored-bradan/467083-lets-stop-%2A%2A%2A%2A%2Aing-infighting.html

 

Wade, excellent idea to have someone so Knowledgeable update the Wiki page. Getting down to the exact single numbers would be impossible of course, but when they are out by that much, it's a bit silly.

Not only are the total production numbers on Wiki wrong, but they don't even correspond to the totals of the numbers described in the detailed model descriptions (which do appear correct), so its a bit of a mess.

Some wiki pages list the production numbers right in the block, and others are burried in the text. Any updates would surely be appreciated by all.