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Mondial T cold start problem

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  1. stekkefun4

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    ...Still have this issue even after I got my car back and sensors were replaced (and a BIG bill was paid): when starting up cold, the engine runs on a RPM around 700. Most of the time, 15 seconds later it rises to 1000 rpm and runs normally.

    Most of the sensors and air flow valves have been replaced some weeks ago. I'm not willing to go over to that f*cking mechanic again for the 3d time!

    Today I had the case that it was running on too low rpm and stalled 45" later.

    Here's a video (shot in a dark garage).

    https://youtu.be/w6BO4uwFjac

    I did some research here and most of the time it's about sensors (replaced in my case).
     
  2. davebdave

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    Our t did something similar for quite awhile. Could barely drive it until it warmed up after about 5 minutes. Turned out to be the coolant sensors under the intake. When I changed them I found lots of corrosion on the connectors which I cleaned and put stabilator 2-22 on(controversial). Don't know if it was the sensors or the connectors but completely solved the issue.
     
  3. Jeka

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    It looks like it is running to lean in a cold situation and cold start enrichment is not working properly. Could well be the coolant sensor Dave is mentioning. Does the motor management report an error?
     
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    Oh may, it runs pretty lean. IMHO it runs not smooth from the start if I may say so.

    Did you check out the fuel pump gasket? If it is in deterioration where it basically falls apart. The rubber fragments polute your fuel filter in minutes..

    The gasket is really an issue with a T and 348s.

    Did you do a fuel system pressure test?
    How does the engine run when it is warm?
     
  6. MvT

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    Look if you get an error code first on these sensors before throwing parts at it (Mechanic should have looked at that really). Cleaning does not cost a bit of course if you do it yourself.
     
  7. stekkefun4

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    My first thought is the sensor because usually some seconds later, it runs smoothly. And it's a relatively simple thing to start with.
     
  8. davebdave

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    I put the Delco sensors in ours, $30 for both.

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  9. Jeka

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    Maybe it's good to look at the connectors first before ordering new ones. If you have an ohmmeter you can check if you measure an open (infinite) or a short (0 ohm) situation (both are not good, you should measure some resistance). As far as I know you have two sensors so you can compare them.
     
  10. stekkefun4

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    Thanks, I'll start with cleaning the connectors first before ordering new ones.
     
  11. stekkefun4

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    #11 stekkefun4, May 2, 2016
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    So, the cleansing with WD40 is done. I'm waiting for the engine to cool off so I can cold start the engine. Here are some pics of the procedure to get under the air intake plenum (by removing the multi-cables first) .

    What really p*sses me off is that the people at the 'performance car' garage did not replace these cheap sensors after the car went back to their shop 3 times for the same problem (also for other issues which did not disappear) which costed me 8K in total... I get the impression that they just kept it for 6 months in their shop without really looking into the problem.

    Anyhow, we'll see if the WD40 does the trick.
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  12. MvT

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    Fingers crossed! :) I hope it will run good now!
     
  13. stekkefun4

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    Unfortunately cleaning the sensor sockets didn't do the trick. As they haven't been replaced recently, I'm going to do that myself.
     
  14. yelcab

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    I would also replace or clean the crimps on the conectors
     
  15. MvT

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    You can check if they are working with a multimeter. They should have some resistance if not they are kaput.

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  16. stekkefun4

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    It's best to just replace them while I'm doing that job, they only cost a couple euros. After that, I'll pay the 'sports car expert' a visit give him a well aimed kick in the sensors!
     
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    #18 Jeka, May 5, 2016
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    Another check is to see if the connector on the motor management computer is tight enough. It could be loose on one side.
     
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    This would not be reported as an error code. The values will show the engine as being warm even when cold. An error code will only be logged when a temp sensor goes fully open or closed circuit. The sensors aren't going to fail at the same time so test the resistance, they won't be the same (but should be)
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  20. stekkefun4

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    Hey, the connectors all look OK and well attached.
     
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    #21 stekkefun4, May 9, 2016
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    I just went to the 'Officina Valenti' Ferrari expert in Belgium who takes Ferrari engines apart whole day long. The cold start problem is a sign of the engine not running in balance and there is some black sealant kit that is not supposed to be between the air intake plenum and the intake blocks on either side (between these blocks in light blue and the intake plenum on the pic). They're going to balance the entire engine, nothing more nothing less they tell me... Meaning: the 6000 euro the previous mechanic charged me (let's just call him "Serge Power"), didn't help and nothing got solved!
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  22. stekkefun4

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    problems got resolved by a specialist who fine tuned all engine settings
     
  23. paulchua

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    beautiful!!! glad to hear you are back on the road!!!
     
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    That great news, enjoy the drive, hey would he come to Australia and fix my car ??
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  25. stekkefun4

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    ...or you can send your car over here and he'll fix it :)
     

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