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Stutter/ Miss at 4000 rpm

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  1. Anthony bentley

    Anthony bentley Formula Junior

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    After sifting through numerous problems on my recently purchased Mondial, the problem seems to shift. I now have a stutter at 4000 rpm, car drives almost perfectly until then. Almost feels like fuel starvation.

    I have replaced.
    Coils (solved dropping a bank at low revs/ idling)
    Distributor caps. (as above)
    Rotors. (as above)
    HT leads. (as above)
    Accumulator (solved poor starting when warm)
    Changed gearbox oil to Redline (improves shifting)
     
  2. theunissenguido

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    First what model mondial ?
    If mondial 8, QV or 3.2 : cleaning filter inside fuel tank (where the fuel line starts that goes to fuelpump)...
    After that thinking of cleaning plunger in fuel distributor after checking air flow sensor plate is travelling free.

    Guido
     
  3. Anthony bentley

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    Hi, sorry it's a QV.
     
  4. moysiuan

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    Try a little marvel mystery oil, cleans out a fuel system quite nicely, and can't do harm. Might check the plug extenders, look for signs of a short. I presume your spark plugs are fresh? Probably something simple, worth ruling out some easy things first.
     
  5. Anthony bentley

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    #5 Anthony bentley, Apr 29, 2016
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    Definitely, I use mystery oil every year I'll order some more and change fuel filter.
    Where is the fuel filter located?
     
  6. MvT

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    #6 MvT, Apr 30, 2016
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    I went into my history record as I had such issue.. My Warm Up Reculator (WUR) was not working properly and I rebuild it.

    You might want to do a fuel system pressure first to see if the pressure is "right".

    I always recommend people to change their injectors when they are old. I replaced all my rejectors when not having smooth run. They eventually wear out since they are mechanical. IMHO you just need to do this when you do not know the history if they were replaced or not. A fellow Fchatter replaced them just recently. He had no issues.. He noticed a better pick up, smoother run and going faster into higher refs. He knows his car as no one else as he owns it for more then 20 years and he was amazed mentioning he should have done it earlier.
     
  7. theunissenguido

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    Beside accumulator and fuel pump.

    Guido
     
  8. Anthony bentley

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    The accumulator I have replaced due to my warm start problems. My car was sat along time before I bought it.
     
  9. MvT

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    Guido means that the fuel filter is next to the accumulator a bit more up though. It's hard to miss the aluminum canister, that's the filter.
     
  10. Anthony bentley

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    Thanks, was half asleep when I read it.
     
  11. theunissenguido

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    I whas getting sleep to when I wrote it...

    Guido
     
  12. Anthony bentley

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    Ok so the stutter is still there, having replaced the fuel pump today I can safely assume it's not a fuel issue. So tonight I have popped off both distributor caps one is still like new and the other looks like it's had a fire in it! Dust and charring on all the contacts! I wonder if the rotor wasn't seated properly or could the cap be breaking down inside?
    Could the spark from the coil be too powerful?
     
  13. Anthony bentley

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    #13 Anthony bentley, May 26, 2016
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    Still have this problem swapped and chopped pretty much everything. I notice there is a fresh gasket behind the back banks distributor body (not cap) is there anything in there I might need to look at? Something shorting?
    As mentioned before there was a lot of dust behind this cap.
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  14. moysiuan

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    Cap charred contacts could be moisture in there, perhaps a hairline crack in the plastic causing arcing. The rotor might be worn. Aftermarket caps are of mixed quality. Might help to see a pic.
     
  15. MvT

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    Doesn't harm to bolt it off to have a look :) Even if I would not have an issue and the car would be new to me it is one of the things I look at.

    Also check your 8 extenders if they do not have pin burn holes.
     
  16. Anthony bentley

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    #16 Anthony bentley, May 26, 2016
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    Swapped extenders, replaced the caps and then replaced the charred one again and rotor again.
    It apparently had a big service before I got it but I'm finding a lot of the work to be substandard.
    I'm just wondering why that is a fresh gasket and that is the distributor I suspect and what could be behind it.
     
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    RTV is not a good sealant for gaskets.
    The excessive bead can squeeze into the inside of the case, break off, and cause oil passage blockage.
     
  18. Anthony bentley

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    #18 Anthony bentley, May 29, 2016
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    So I have swapped and chopped everything now. What I have noticed is the front bank runs better than the back bank. Which leads me to thinking the timing is out on the back bank. I have swapped the sensors and the problem remains at the back. I haven't pulled the tdc sensor could this cause one bank to run badly? If not, it's to the shop as I have no experience with timing belts and setting timing, again a job that was supposed to be done before I bought it.
     
  19. fastradio

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    Timing is not adjustable. It is set internally by two Digiplex units. Timing can be verified by simply using a timing light. If the tdc sensor fails/is failing, it shuts down both banks.
     
  20. Anthony bentley

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    So I've decided to investigate and this is what i have found, the bottom pulley has been eating at the belt. Im wondering if its jumped a tooth?
     
  21. Anthony bentley

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    #21 Anthony bentley, May 30, 2016
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    If the tensioner is working properly, it is unlikely that the belt can jump a tooth.
    No harm checking though.
     
  23. MvT

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    #23 MvT, May 30, 2016
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    Could be. The first snatch will left the belt for sure! and I guess you have about 10 of these.. Check if it is on time. Seeing this I would do this manuel with the refences on the flywheel and the cams. (you will need to take the camcovers off)

    Flatten this area of the pulley as it looks this is eating away the belt. I really wonder how someone managed to do this and not think it can harm the belt. :confused: Good that you found this even if it is not the root cause!
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  24. Bell Bloke

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    I'd go further MvT and say that the belt is damaged and should be replaced immediately.....sorry Anthony but as MvT says your damaged pully is to blame
    Regards Bell
     
  25. MvT

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    I cannot disagree with you! IMHO it is an obvious thing to do :)
     

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