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Reproducing the Mondial rear thermic window

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Would you go for...

  1. A close to 100% accurate glass reproduction?

  2. A glass reproduction without thermic wiring nor labels?

  3. A plexi glass repro at a cheap price, without thermic wiring nor labels?

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  1. stekkefun4

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    #1 stekkefun4, May 12, 2016
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    I have been in touch with many people lately, asking for a replacement rear window for their Mondial. Fact is they all start to delaminate sooner or later, resulting in white clouds in the window appearing from the bottom and growing gradually.

    Trying to replace these with original ones which don't have delamination (yet) is only a temporary solution. Chances are you won't find any in good enough condition below 1500 USD.

    So, I see it as my mission to go for the reproduction of these rear windows and I have taken on the quest for the best reproduction.

    I'm holding the various possibilities in consideration, but woud like to have your input too.

    Options:

    1. Go for a close to 100% reproduction with a window in glass, holding the thermic wiring and same Ferari labels as the original one.
    + : very close to the original
    - : the most expensive option (probably between 400 and 1000 euro each, depending on the batch size

    2. Go for a reproduction in glass without thermic wiring and Ferrari labels. Price would be between 250 and 500 euro each depending on batch size.
    + : much lower price than compared to a +- 100% accurate reproduction
    - : easy to see it's not a genuine one and you don't have labels nor thermic wiring

    3. Go for a plexi glass reproduction (like the ones that are offered by certain companies, though mostly out of stock when you ask them for it).
    + : low price, presumably around 150 - 300 euro each, depending on batch size
    - : prone to scratches (can be polished though), no thermic wiring

    So, I added a poll to this topic.

    Please give your feedback and preferences

    PS: picture is just an illustration of the window I'm talking about
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  2. MaseratiMike

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    My preference would be option 1 - as original as possible
     
  3. MvT

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    Most Plexiglas will get yellow over time, for me that was a reason not to get such.
     
  4. enzo360

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    Stefan,
    Mine is still in A1 condition, but I would go for option 1 as well.
    Only question: reproducing the labels on the screen, wouldn't that get you in trouble with Ferrari themself? Just a question....

    Next step the front window?

    Best
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  5. 2281GT

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    Up to 500 bucks burnt for a obvious repro or only 500 more for a nearly OEM ?

    No question - only a "as perfect as possible Glass with thermic wiring" repro.
     
  6. 2281GT

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    Do not ask such questions, please !
    If S.p.A. will not know about ... they will keep sleeping. ;)
     
  7. stekkefun4

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    In fact, I just had a sales rep from a company on the line who claims that they can reproduce 100% accurate versions. First step for me is to remove one from one of my cars and have it scanned.
     
  8. drfink

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    I would want as close to original as possible, including labels.
     
  9. theunissenguido

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    as I'm not driving my car in winter, autumn, spring.....only during summer, so wiring inside is'nt needed. And as my car has'nt humidity inside...

    Guido
     
  10. SonomaRik

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    Buy a NOS, put in storage

    Install the reproduction and Plexi is ok in my book for the temp use.

    but not everyone's cup of tea.
     
  11. stekkefun4

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    Apparently, NOS can be ruled out, even the F dealer's can't get hold of any.
     
  12. bencollins

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    Polycarbonate is tougher (even bullet proof) but will yellow because it is oil based.
    Plexiglass/Perspex is acrylic and does not age or yellow and can have scratches polished out - but is more fragile.

    Given the location where it is not particularly vulnerable i think plexiglass/perspex/acrylic is ok. It just needs supporting so the heat from the engine is not allowed to make it return to its original flat form.
     
  13. stekkefun4

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    That's a good point to consider, plexi is not as heat resistant as glass.
     
  14. stekkefun4

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    OK, poll results show a clear preference, so I know which path to go for. First thing is to remove one from my parts cars and hand it over to the glass experts. I'm doing that next weekend and I'll post some pictures of it. I also hope to keep the rubber sealing around the glass intact.
     
  15. MaseratiMike

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    I got an email reply from a UK Plexiglass/Lexan windscreen manufacturer today after I asked them some questions, it confirms my decision to go for a real glass one if Stefan can get them reproduced:

    1) What is the expected life for one of the lexan screens such as resistance to UV colour damage? - These days the manufacturers give the polycarbonates 5 years before the colour starts to change but thats 24/7 outdoors in the californian sun so I would estimate a good 10 years in English weather before there is any colour change starting to happen.

    2) Is the screen road legal - for rear windows? Yes as you are retro fitting it and not taking the car for an IVA test.

    3) What is the hard coat option - do you have any more details? - The hardcoating is a clear chemical silica surface coating, invisible to the eye but it give the polycarbonate excellent scratch resistance and chemical resistance, in the
    pictures below we brushed heavily them with a scotch pad side to side so you can see just how much more resistant the hardcoated or Margard is compared to std lexan.
     
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    #16 stekkefun4, May 20, 2016
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    I have been in touch with them too, asking for pictures of the units they produce. They could not provide me with a picture of a window, I only got the pic you can see here of a car that has one in it...
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    update: I got in touch with a couple of manufacturers, price quote will be for early September.
     
  18. 350HPMondial

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    OK,,,

    I'm in,,

    :)

    For, my rear window got split in two.
    By professional help...?. With a New rubber seal....!!

    (. And ,, yes,, I turned very pale. Then I explained the fact,,,,, Ferrari Mondial Rear glass NLA.)

    My car is supposed to be a sleeper,,,I have all the glass and don't want plastic.

    Edwardo
     
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    #19 stekkefun4, Oct 17, 2016
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    So, thanks to Kinnie, we managed to get the rear window out of the Mondial T. This window is really is excellent condition, black tape around the edges to prevent delamination, so it's very close to mint condition!

    This afternoon, I'm visiting the company which may reproduce them, I'll keep you folks updated.
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  20. 2281GT

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    just good timing, Stefan !

    My rear window is now delaminating faster and faster. It has a 10 x 10 cm "white spot", still growing.

    I hope to get one of the first produced ;)

    EDIT:
    Or would you give me the one you've just posted (out of the T) ?
     
  21. afterburner

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    Great effort - and how about the seal? I am not sure if mine could be reused after removing the window. Any thoughts?
     
  22. stekkefun4

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    I have some spare seals, but it's not my intention to have these remanufactured.
     
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    #23 stekkefun4, Oct 20, 2016
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    OK, here is the score:

    - The remanufactured windows will measure 100% the same as the original.
    - It is forbidden to use the Ferrari logo on these windows, but you can add this yourself with etching ink. Other than that, it will be 100% the same.
    - We offer 2 possibilities: a window without Wolfram heating and a version with.
    - Protected against delamination !
    - Production takes 8 to 12 weeks and is made in Western Europe!
    - If you would like to order one, I ask for an advance of 50%

    Here are the prices
    1. Without Wolfram heating: 800 euro
    2. With Wolfram heating: 1300 euro

    Prices are excluding local tax and shipping.

    If you would like to order one, please PM me.

    Production of both types will only start if I have 5 orders per type.
     
  24. 2281GT

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    I'm definitely in for 1 with Heating !
    (please put a little Bottle of etching ink and a template with in)
     
  25. 2281GT

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    What about the orher former interested guys ?

    No reaction yet ?
     

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