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Mondial 8 distributor cap orientation

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  1. stekkefun4

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    #1 stekkefun4, Oct 15, 2016
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    Hey folks, after having tried to fire up the Mondial 8 engine for many moons, it looks like the previous owner of the Mondial 8 engine hooked up the distributor caps the wrong way.

    Come someone provide me with a picture of the orientation they're supposed to be in?

    I have here a picture of the engine, but it's not clear if it shows the good orientation...

    Many thanks in advance!
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  2. Steve Magnusson

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  3. Russ Gould

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    Turn flywheel in correct direction of rotation to timing mark PM 1-4. That corresponds to TDC on pistons 1 and 4. Check which one is on compression stroke (both valves closed and nowhere near opening) and that the distributor rotor/cap is in "fire" position for that cylinder. If you cannot figure out which one is on compression stroke (the other one is in transition from exhaust to intake stroke), put a rubber hose in the sparkplug hole and blow as you turn the fw and approach the tdc mark. The cyl that makes your cheeks bulge for the 160 degrees or so before you get to the timing mark is the one.

    The wires should then be inserted into the cap following the firing order which is stamped on the motor someplace, don't remember where possibly valve cover. As long as one is correct as established by the TDC mark, and the others are in the correct sequence, you are good.

    Repeat for other bank 5 and 8, there is a separate mark on the flywheel for those two.

    There are many reasons why a motor will not start. But basically you need to check fuel (should be able to smell that), compression (easy to measure) and spark (see above for spark timing, visual test to see if there is actual discharge).

    It's possible the cam belts were installed incorrectly in which case you may not be able to turn the motor through a full revolution. Good to find that out before you fire it up. Or the belts could be installed so the motor turns, the distributors are correct, but the valve timing is 180 degrees off on the cams (one full rotation of the cranks). There are marks on the timing gear that correspond to TDC marks on the flywheel and plenty of tutorials online as to how all this should be lined up.

    Before installing motor check/replace the water pump and slave cyl. Also the a/c compressor if it's not working. A lot easier to do that now.
     
  4. Pero

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    #4 Pero, Oct 16, 2016
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    I use my CSI, compression stroke indicator, to find just that. Developed in a secret lab in Japan for many years. Battery not included in picture.
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    In reference to the PM 1-4 mark on the flywheel...where exactly is TDC? The P, the M the dash or?? It seemed to be a rather vague mark so I used a long screwdriver inserted through #1 spark plug hole and a dial gauge to determine when the piston was at TDC.

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    It is the vertical line symbol of the PM1-4 marking. Some example photos in this thread:

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/mondial/506595-flywheel-timing-markings.html

    but the position of the vertical line symbol within the PM1-4 mark varies - sometimes at start, sometimes in middle, sometimes at end, etc..
     
  7. BOKelley

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    Thanks Steve!
     
  8. stekkefun4

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    Thanks for the info guys. It appears that the distributor caps are oriented correctly. Next to that, I have ignition, fuel and all...
     
  9. Russ Gould

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    TDC does not necessarily mean compression. It could be at TDC on the exhaust stroke. You need to make sure it's on the compression stroke (ie that the valve timing and distributor spark are in sync). and it does not need to be exactly on the mark to figure out if the spark is pointed at the right cylinder.

    Having said that if they were 180 degrees out and everything else was good, you would be getting some nice exhaust detonation as the spark ignited the unburned exhaust charge. And since the inlet is also just opening, you would probably blow your plenum off and destroy your air filter.
     
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    We had some exhaust detonation. The spark on the first cylinder comes 15° after the PM1-4 mark, where it should have been 5° before that mark
     
  11. BOKelley

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    Are you sure you have the flywheel sensors plugged into the correct places? That too can cause exhaust detonation if they are switched up.....

    Brock
     
  12. Bell Bloke

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    #12 Bell Bloke, Oct 17, 2016
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    Rear most bank 1-4 looks wrong as compared to my Qv.
    Just for your info :)
    On checking further it looks like there is some various versions, so check firing order against rotation of the rotor arm.
     

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