Electric Mondial - is this the future? :(

I've been saying for about 3 years now that the days of the Ferrari combustion engine are seriously numbered, underlined last week by the announcement of an electric 4 door saloon that will go on sale next year with a range of 420 miles and a 0-60mph time of 2.3seconds! And lets not forget that the Tesler is already a Ferrari beater.
Ferrari will have to rethink their policy of not ditching the IC engine. Cars will also be much cheaper and simpler mechanically. The future is nearly here.....
Also as liquid fuel becomes scarcer on the forecourts many classics may well get converted to electric but with original engines in situ for show, with batteries and speed controllers in the front wheel area and direct drive motors on the rear wheels and a sound generator, who would know it's not running on petrol. As for values of all of these old dinosaurs who knows.....as petrol cars alone I think values will plummet, only electric conversions will save them IMHO
Regards Bell

 

I think perhaps in the future we will all be driving cars with an electric motor. However, I suspect Ferrari's will likely be the last to go into the scrap heap. There will probably be enough biofuel around for a Sunday drive. I still see Model A's running around, and they're close to 100 years old now.

Converting a vintage Ferrari to electric, would be a great way to destroy it's value.

 

I think new cars will all be hybrid/electric very soon. But IC engine cars, including our Mondial's, will be on the road for a long time. There's no reason to outlaw them, exotic/classics are a small minority of what's on the road.

The average IC car will just phase out over time, but probably fairly quickly. 20 years? Electric cars still have some issues. Even at a range of 420, recharging is an issue. And the first time one of those batteries catches fire and burns down someone's house, people are going to get very nervous.

 

Unless, of course, it is a burned out hulk destined to become a Maytag washing machine hull.

I drove this beast and she is really sweet and very well engineered:
Our own Hutch's work:
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/308-328-sponsored-yellow-compass-group/462672-1978-308-gts-ev-conversion.html
Alden

 

Electric cars are not in the future they are in the present. Like anything else they have pros and cons but you have to drive one to appreciate it. Of course the NO NOISE is very deceptive if you drive for pleasure of sport car but for an everyday commuter I think it is the way to go for near future.

But I would'nt go all the trouble to convert an old Ferrari. The SOUND has to come with them with the 3 pedals and the gated shifter.

 

I must admit I'm wondering what us 'steam powered' collectors will do for fuel when garages stop selling the stuff in the next 10 years. Maybe there will be just 1 vintage fuel station in every town. Or maybe we will have to have the highly volatile liquid delivered and keep it in a a fuel tank at home.
It's interesting how digital has wiped out the 'film' in the film industry when it was said that there could be no replacement for film and the film look. And yet here we are with virtually nobody shooting film and those that do can't get it processed easily. All this has happened suddenly in the last 6years. Food for thought...

 

My uncle has a country place
That no one knows about
He says it used to be a farm
Before the Motor Law

And now on Sundays I elude the eyes
And hop the turbine freight
To far outside the wire where my
White-haired uncle waits

Jump to the ground as the turbo slows
To cross the borderline
Run like the wind as excitement shivers
Up and down my spine

But down in his barn
My uncle preserved for me
An old machine
For fifty-odd years

To keep it as new
Has been his dearest dream

I strip away the old debris
That hides a shining car

A brilliant Red Barchetta
From a better vanished time

We'll fire up the willing engine
Responding with a roar
Tires spitting gravel
I commit my weekly crime

Wind
In my hair
Shifting and drifting
Mechanical music
Adrenaline surge

Well-oiled leather
Hot metal and oil
The scented country air

Sunlight on chrome
The blur of the landscape
Every nerve aware

Suddenly ahead of me
Across the mountainside
A gleaming alloy air-car
Shoots towards me two lanes wide

Oh, I spin around with shrieking tires
To run the deadly race
Go screaming through the valley
As another joins the chase

Ride like the wind
Straining the limits
Of machine and man

Laughing out loud with fear and hope
I've got a desperate plan

At the one-lane bridge
I leave the giants stranded
At the riverside

Race back to the farm
To dream with my uncle
At the fireside

 

For the original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAvQSkK8Z8U

 

And the US metal version thanks to Star Trek/JJ Abrams:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeRghYqi090

 

Well, they still sell diesel, so I imagine there will be gas stations for a long time.

Same thing with power. Reducing the load on coal doesn't necessitate ceasing it's use altogether. Maybe over time, but I'd wager 50 years versus 15.

 

Rush fan, but never heard that before. Thanks.


I know Chris Rhea is an enthusiast.

Nice Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPCmbj2iNX4

 

That is it, I am going to do my Mondial interior "steam punk" style and drive wearing leather and a top hat with goggles on top.
Alden

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An 'electric Ferrari,' may be electric, but

IT WILL NEVER BE A FERRARI.

 

Perhaps. But benefits both environmental and performance wise are limited. CO2 emissions are not lower in comparison, only if you have excess renewable electricity in the grid - and we're still very far off from that, not to mention the pollution caused by adapting all the infrastructure and vehicles themselves. In a way it actually creates a need in the shorter term for more power plants since most cars are charged at night when the sun doesn't shine.

Quick acceleration is nice but the average driver does not need it, nor is it useful or safe in many instances. You can make relatively cheap petrol cars that accelerate quickly, but it is not done and they don't sell very well, why? Because the average driver is very happy with 8-10 sec or more to 100 acceleration.
And don't forget big oil, soooo many jobs depend on oil and related industry it is not funny. My take is that fuel powered vehicles will be around for quite a while longer than you'd expect, and yes - just as oat for horses is still readily available if you know where to look, the same will be true for fuel. My only fear is treehuggers getting their way. Fortunately the powers that be have their views on that, even Hillary has said that global warmists should get a life and we know where Trump stands.

 

From WIKI as to the origins of the song...

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Background
The song was inspired by the futuristic short story "A Nice Morning Drive", written by Richard Foster and published in the November 1973 issue of Road and Track magazine. The story describes a similar future in which increasingly stringent safety regulations have forced cars to evolve into massive Modern Safety Vehicles (MSVs), capable of withstanding a 50-mile-per-hour impact without injury to the driver. Consequently, drivers of MSVs have become less safety-conscious and more aggressive, and "bouncing" (intentionally ramming) the older, smaller cars is a common sport among some.

Rush drummer and lyricist Neil Peart made several attempts to contact Foster during the recording of Moving Pictures, but Road and Track did not have an up-to-date address, and Rush were forced to settle for a brief "inspired by" note in the lyric sheet mentioning the story. In July 2007, Foster and Peart finally made contact with one another. Foster later posted on his website an account of their journey by motorcycle through the backwoods of West Virginia between stops on Rush's 2007 Snakes & Arrows Tour.

Barchetta, literally "small boat" in Italian, is the diminutive form of barca ("boat" or "craft"). In the automotive industry, the term is used for a two-seat car without any kind of roof. The proper Italian pronunciation is Italian pronunciation: [barˈketta], although it is sung with a "ch" sound by Geddy Lee.
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Interestingly, the original short story in 1973 is not all too different from today's world...

James in Denver

 

A Rush fan and you have never heard this? Wow. Right from being an impressionable teenager this song has sent chills down my spine. As stated above it has a story and is not all Peart's idea. As with most Rush work, it is brilliant.


As for the Bi-Turbo on Wheeler Dealers. I enjoyed it whilst found it sad. They justified it to some extent because apparently that engine had reliability issues. I guess WD are trying to be PC with the show too. At then end of it the car was not really any quicker and IMO lacking any character. However I never drove it I suppose, they seemed to enjoy it.

I'm more concerned not for electric cars (keep pondering about perhaps a Tesla 3 if they ever arrive) but autonomous cars. You see I don't think they will truly work until all cars are autonumous. I'm not about to even consider the idea of my Ferrari as autonomous if it was possible and to what end?
Electric cars and ICE can live together but autonomous? I don't really think they can.

As for converting any Ferrari to electric - No, I stand by this for most sports cars.

 

Autonomous is still quite far off too, especially in cities and secondary roads. Tesla makes all kinds of claims regarding safety saying their system is better but their system is only allowed to be used on the safest roads. They cannot outlaw self driving for a very long time, I don't think I will live to see that day.

 

To answer the OP, engine goes pop, then definitely an electric conversion for me.
Obviously there are disadvantages, but having it as a daily driver with no maintenence and pennies running cost would be awesome.

 

Late chirp in here but did see that show and liked it... watched it being put together over a few months as well..... Got to say it was "made for TV". That car was already an 80's EV conversion sitting in a "relatives" garage. The cost is reflective of substantial discounts, no labor, etc. (built prior to filming). The VW basic kit costs $20k. The Maserati had Tesla Smart cels, twin AC 34's and was/is fairly drivable. Certainly a good value for what the "buyer" did pick it up for! The suspension needs a good shake down as it is soft and sags in the rear due to the rear balancing of the car. Fun driver, average looking and at least really reliable now.

Not even remotely reflective of the 78 308 Ferrari conversion, restoration & mod quality & cost. If only it was .

 

I suspect autonomous vehicles are not too far off. Test vehicles are on the road now. Considering how bad the average driver is (especially when drunk), improvement will probably not be that hard.


Tesla predicts crash:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om3z1yLQtwo