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Pre Production Mondial QV Cabriolet

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  1. Murch

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    Apparantly Pre Production cars were sold, i.e.. VIN ZFFLD14C000046755 which are outside the normal quoted range 47246 - 59163.

    Our Pre Production cars sought after, or would you rather the final production car??

    I believe there are some minor differences like sliding removable rear side glass rather than with window winders, and different separation between rear seats.
     
  2. godabitibi

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    First time I hear about that but I'm no expert. Do you have pics of the side windows?
     
  3. Murch

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  4. MauroV

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    Could it be a coupe with the roof cut off?
     
  5. MauroV

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    Check that the fuel filler is in the right place and that the engine cover is squared off at the hinge end and that it is louvered for all its length and not half louvered like a coupe.
     
  6. nerofer

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    My first question would be who defined the "normal quoted range" 47246 - 59163 ? The factory itself ? In an official publication?

    Then, the fact that a car is "out of the range" wouldn't be a surprise either: development prototypes were indeed sold and road registered once their task is over. We have a well known proof in Paris here, as far as 328s go.

    The production range of the 328 is usually considered to begin with 58735, a GTB; first GTS is 59301.
    But we have 56211 registered here, a 328 GTB. As you can see, she is "out of sequence" by about 1000 cars (chassis were numbered at the time using only odd numbers) as she was one of the development prototypes.
    She is in US market configuration: "long lip nose" and rear bumper with extraction air slot for catalysator, but she inherited a non-catalysed engine ("euro") when she ended her task with the factory and was "liberated" for road use... so actually no catalysator behind the "hot air extraction slot".

    Her owner has its history as a factory development car well documented by a comprehensive file.

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  7. Wade

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    #8 Wade, Feb 6, 2017
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    Yes, that's the rear seat glove box from a Coupe. Also, do your back seats fold down (they should for a Cab)? Plus it appears that you are missing the engine access cover behind the seat backs (for access to change the spark plugs).
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  8. Wade

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    One would think! ;-)
     
  9. Wade

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    #10 Wade, Feb 6, 2017
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    No rear glove box in the Mondial 8 either. But according to the parts diagrams the early QV had the same rear pocket as the 8 (no "glovebox")
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    #13 theunissenguido, Feb 7, 2017
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    Could it be that this whas an option ? On the first picture of QV from Wade you see that middle part section drawened on the right lower side.
    My early QV has no rear glove box....just whats drawened on that rigtht side. No pocket !
    This is a picture with pocket.
    The very early mondial 8 also has the front grill (griglia covano ant) on the hood and the cheese grills painted in black ?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGDo4NrqqG8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgjUTuuP1bM

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  13. Wade

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    That's what I tried to convey about the pocket/glove box. The parts listing shows "To 82" and "From 83" respectively. So, apparently, not an option, just a change between the 82 and 83 model years.

    However, probably insignificant since the rear glovebox was added in 83, which is the same year that "A new Cabriolet body style added...".

    From the records/data that I've seen so far, 1983 QV 47247 was the first one Cab.

    But it would be interesting to see/hear about a convertible "styling exercise" from Ferrari, or one of its dealers, to gain/judge market interest at the time.
     
  14. Wade

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    Another thing to consider, the VIN's tenth digit determines the model year, and this car has a "0" in that position which is "All other markets, including late Japanese versions".
     
  15. nerofer

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    #16 nerofer, Feb 8, 2017
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    The prototype of all the 328s, the first one is #49543; it was built about a year and a half before the first development prototype, which is GTB #56211.
    #58735 is usually quoted as the first 328, but it is the first PRODUCTION car; 56211 was a development prototype, which was converted to road specs later, and is today registered in France here in Paris, its owner having a file from the factory establishing its history.

    Most sources simply forget to mention about #49543, which is a pity as the car has been showed in many salons in Europe back in her days, and also as it is the ONLY FACTORY BUILD 328 cabriolet...
    The 328 was originally intended to be produced in three body styles, "Berlinetta" (tin-top = GTB) "Spider" (= GTS) and full-cabriolet (as were the 348 and 355 later). But even if the tests were succesful, the marketing men decided against putting the 328 Cabriolet in production, for fear that it would hurt the sales of the "Mondial Cabriolet".

    #49543 is well out of the 328 sequence, but it does indeed exist, and she is legit. You can see it from time to time on the roads of Italy.
    The fact that one or two "Mondial" cabriolets could have an "out-of-sequence" chassis number wouldn't surprise me at all, especially as this body style was new
    to the serie, the factory would have probably tested it extensively, just as they did with #49543, which predates the begining of 328 production by a year and a half. (And, by the way, has a VIN indicated she was intended for America)
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  16. bixkut

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    Another RHD Mondial QV pre-production cabriolet with the VIN out of sequence is 46757 which was sold new in the UK in August 2003 and has full service history from new. It appears to be very similar to 46755 including a glovebox between the rear seats and rear quarter window arrangement. Both cars are recorded as RHD pre-production cabs in the F-Register.
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  17. MauroV

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    Trouble with the F-register is it's only as accurate as the data each contributor offers. Maranello of London keep an archive of ferrari cars imported to UK. You can ask them for any records they may have concerning original colours or spec. Eg coupe or cabriolet. Tony Willis was very helpful when I was doing some research. I trust he wouldn't mind helping with any queries. His email is (or at least was) [email protected] .
     
  18. 4redude

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    The pictures of the convertible top in the advert for 46755 look horrible. No tension in the fabric and many wrinkles like the top is way too loose and weould never seal or keep wind out at speed.
     
  19. MauroV

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    The front and rear seat belts are attached by the same bolt. That can't be right.
     
  20. Murch

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    Hi turns out that car is now being advertised as a conversion (from coupe to cab) in the 1980's and not a factory preproduction car !!
     
  21. MauroV

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    ☺ Have they reduced the price?
     
  22. Murch

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    Yes price significantly reduced !
     

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