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  1. writerguy

    writerguy F1 Veteran

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    Ok
    Those who's builders have gone on to the big automotive design bin in the sky... Like OSCA, DeTom, others you know of please list... (Great brain stumpers for auto trivia contests)


    pictures are also helpful...
     
  2. Artvonne

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    I once knew a guy who owned two Morreti's, and another guy who owned a Bianchinni. The last was a rediculously small car, so small it looked like it belonged in the circus with clowns riding in it. It was rear engine rear drive, and I think it had a tiny two banger air cooled engine, a transaxle that looked like it belonged in a John Deere rider mower, and the tinyest little drive axles I have ever seen.
     
  3. neilmac

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    Cisitalia is the only one that springs to mind now.

    Does Stanguellini qualify?

    Also, was there not a make called Volpini?

    Neil
     
  4. writerguy

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  5. Erik330

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    Bandini, Siata.
     
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  7. 105Alfa

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    The Bianchini was an Autobianchi. Autobianchi was a union between Fiat, Pirelli and Bianchi. The Bianchini was based on the Fiat 500 so, like you said, it had the 500's 2-cylinder air cooled engine mounted in the rear. The displacement was 495cc, if I'm not mistaking. They made a lot of variations of it, including a wagon, a convertible, a coupe, etc.

    Autobianchi later went on to make the popular, front engined and front wheel drive A112 and then they made the Y10, which was a rebadged Lancia Ypsilon. After the Y10, they called it quits. I'm not sure if you want to consider Autobianchi an Italian "Orphan" brand because they were part of Fiat, but maybe you could consider Bianchi as one.

    Oh, an interesting side note- in the 60's, it was popular for people who raced 500s to replace the stock pistons with pistons from Ferrari V12s.
     
  8. writerguy

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    You are on the right path with these


    any more??? Just after the war there were hundreds of little shop of horrors operating in Italy, got to be some more especially racers
     
  9. 105Alfa

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    Intermeccanica, Iso, Casalini, Giannini, BMA, etc.
     
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    These are primarily coachbuilders, but Coggiola, Lombardi, Coriasco, Frua, Michelota, Siata, O.R.S.A.
     
  11. Abarth, Lancia, Iso, intermeccanica, Innocenti,
     
  12. bjwhite

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    Can't count Lancia, they're still around. Abarth was absorbed into Fiat and serves as their "M-division" for lack of a better term....
     
  13. writerguy

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  14. Bob Zambelli

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    I lived in Milan in the early 60s and we had a car called a Daniella.
    Basically a miniature Ferrari Testarossa on a Topolino chassis.
    Also, my friend had an Innocenti - Italian body on a MG Midget frame.

    Bob Z.
     
  15. Horsefly

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    I was at a local car swap meet and a guy had a sign saying that he was looking for any Doretti Swallow parts. I had never heard of such a beast. Apparently a small obscure Italian make?
     
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    does anyone remember ATS?
     
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    ATS? The German wheel manufactuer and ex-F1 team?
     
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  19. akersekomhs

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    yes. "ATS, or Automobili Turismo Sport, was founded in 1962 to produce both road cars and to compete in formula one. Several personnel were ex-Ferrari, including the famous Carlo Chiti. The first road car, the 2500GT, came out in 1963 whilst in Formula one they took over the Serenissima team which was in financial trouble."

    2500 GT

    The first and last ATS production road car, the 2500GT was an alloy bodied, two seat, mid-engined sportscar. Powered by a twin-cam V8 displacing 2467cc and producing 220bhp, it was equipped with a five speed gearbox and disc brakes all round. The tubular steel spaceframe chassis used double wishbones and coil springs on all four corners and was clothed by a body from Allemano. n aluminium bodied version with an extra 40bhp, known as the GTS, was also offered. Later, Volpi (one of the backers of the failed Serenissima team) reappeared and provided the backing to produce some 2500GT cars as Serenissima's, fitted with a quad-cam V8, but success was never attained. Supposedly a total of around 12 cars were built.


    Technical Details

    Engine 2467cc (76x68mmmm) 90Ί V8 with 220bhp @ 7,500rpm
    with 260bhp @ 7,700rpm in the GTS
    Suspension front : independent with double wishbones, coil springs and telescopic dampers
    rear : independent with double wishbones, coil springs and telescopic dampers
    wheelbase : 2500mm
    track (front/rear) : 1390mm/1360mm
    tyres (front & rear) : 185 - 15
    Brakes discs all round
    dual hydraulic circuit
    handbrake on rear via cable
    Steering Rack and pinion
    Transmission 5 speed manual
    limited-slip differential in GTS
    Empty weight 810kg (GTS : 750kg)


    from: http://www.ukcar.com/carspecs/BASICMODELS.ASP?MAKER=ATS
     
  20. Papa G

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    Let's go way back...


    Isotta Fraschini
     
  21. DMOORE

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    WOW! that ATS is beautiful. Looks like it beat the Dino by about 6 years.
    Very nice.

    Darrell.
     
  22. writerguy

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    Darrell

    there were tons of beautiful cars made that never MADE it

    That is kinda why i started this thead

    Post some pictures
     
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  24. Erich

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    It was a British car built on the chassis of a TR2.

    http://www.doretti.co.uk/index.htm
     
  25. writerguy

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    Nice one Eric... Should start a thread in CArs on orphaned limeys
     

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