Alfa USA 2013/2014 - Page 20

**nathandarby67** · #**381** 03-05-2013, 11:25 AM

Good lord those headlights are horrid. Seriously, they almost ruin the whole car for me. Why don't they just do a normal, stylish, glass covered light? It would look so much better. That matte black plastic will also probably not weather well.

**deppi0** · #**382** 03-05-2013, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Green

head lights are disturbing although in launch edition with cf look they are slightly better

The white one is only the "launch edition" which will be sold at EUR 10k more in Europe...no clue of the price outside...
I hope that they will sell the carbonfibre covers as an option on the "normal" edition.

**F1tommy** · #**383** 03-05-2013, 03:04 PM

Those strange headlights do stand out. Maybe they will grow on us after some time has passed.

Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2013-Chicago March 2013

**jeffdavison** · #**384** 03-05-2013, 03:24 PM

what drugs were they on when:

1: the initial drawings were made?
2: the intital drawings approved?
3: descision was made to prototype?
4: desicion made to go from prototype into production?

If they were legal drugs, they should be made illegal!

Dam, cars are getting wierder and fuglier, not jsut THIS Alfa

JD

**F1tommy** · #**385** 03-05-2013, 03:33 PM

Here is the presentation.

Alfa Romeo 4C - Première at Geneva Motor Show 2013 - YouTube

4.5 seconds to 100km and 250km top speed. Not bad for a 1750 TBI based car!!

merstheman · #**386** 03-05-2013, 03:45 PM

I'm truly excited to see this car come into production, but what were they thinking with those headlights? The designer should've looked at the 8C for inspiration, not the fly that landed on his soup during lunch.

**F1tommy** · #**387** 03-05-2013, 07:54 PM

More picures of the Alfa 4C and Gloria.........

Don't forget Alfa has made some great looking cars along with a few very strange ones. The 2600SZ and ES30 had ugly noses to some. Now they are considered classics. Alfa Romeo ...driven to be different.

alfas · #**388** 03-05-2013, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffdavison

what drugs were they on when:

1: the initial drawings were made?
2: the intital drawings approved?
3: descision was made to prototype?
4: desicion made to go from prototype into production?

If they were legal drugs, they should be made illegal!

Dam, cars are getting wierder and fuglier, not jsut THIS Alfa

JD

This, if I want a Lotus I'll go to a Lotus dealer... Alfa wet the bed with this effort

**boxerman** · #**389** 03-05-2013, 08:52 PM

No word yet on the weight then? Seems HP will be 240, with a 70K price tag. methinks after year 1 it will not sell in the expected volume. This thing needs under 2000lbs and over 300bhp to really gte the price, esp as it has a paddle**** tranny.

merstheman · #**390** 03-05-2013, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxerman

No word yet on the weight then? Seems HP will be 240, with a 70K price tag. methinks after year 1 it will not seell in the expected volume. This thing needs under 2000lbs and over 300bhp to really gte the price, esp as it has a paddle**** tranny.

In the presentation the man said 895kg (about 8:30 in the presentation video), which is very impressive. About 1970 pounds

cmack · #**391** 03-06-2013, 03:34 AM

IMO the car is a good compromise between modern and classic lines.
Sorry they axed the tricolore side mirrors, they were a nice design clue.
The performance for this price is stunning.
But a brave effort from Alfa to produce the production version so close
to the show car and to come up in this short time.

**Simon** · #**392** 03-06-2013, 04:36 AM

And 300hp is expected once the standard 235 hp engine has been squeezed a bit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by merstheman

In the presentation the man said 895kg (about 8:30 in the presentation video), which is very impressive. About 1970 pounds

**deppi0** · #**393** 03-06-2013, 08:06 AM

It seems like they are not letting people go inside the cars at the Geneva motor show... Very odd as if they are going to make changes to it before they release the car.
Has anybody seen it in person yet?

**TheMayor** · #**394** 03-06-2013, 11:59 AM

Honestly, I need to see it in the flesh. It looks a bit strangely proportioned in the photos.

Sorry, the DCT is a huge plus for this car. Even Porsche is getting rid of manuals because people just don't want them anymore. Better performance from such a tiny car with only 250 HP. Only 250 HP may not seem like much but in the right package, it could be just awesome to drive.

I like the new Vette but it does not come with a DCT and instead and old fashioned slush box. Makes the car seem like it's from 1982. I expect you could swap the box with an Olds Cutlass.

If it is 70K, it has a chance. My fear is that with all the fancy options, it will be 100. At that price, they run into the same problem as Lotus did -- it's just too expensive compared to the Vette or Porsche Boxster (which is new and I have to admit, a darn nice looking car).

classic308 · #**395** 03-06-2013, 02:11 PM

The technique of the Alfa Romeo 4C | AutoEdizione.com

great stuff!

**F1tommy** · #**396** 03-06-2013, 05:57 PM

Another link with a few 1750 turbo alloy engine photos:

Live from Geneva 2013: Alfa Romeo 4C | AutoEdizione.com

Don't forget Alfa was one of the first manufactures to offer a paddle shift and electronic clutch on a production car, the 156 Selespeed from late 1998....

Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2013-Chicago March 23rd 2013

**TheMayor** · #**397** 03-06-2013, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F1tommy

Another link with a few 1750 turbo alloy engine photos:

Live from Geneva 2013: Alfa Romeo 4C | AutoEdizione.com

Don't forget Alfa was one of the first manufactures to offer a paddle shift and electronic clutch on a production car, the 156 Selespeed from late 1998....

Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2013-Chicago March 23rd 2013

Hmmmm.... belt driven. Everyone is moving to chains now. Alfa's used chains since the 50's. Kinda disappointing.

**nathandarby67** · #**398** 03-06-2013, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMayor

Hmmmm.... belt driven. Everyone is moving to chains now. Alfa's used chains since the 50's. Kinda disappointing.

Let the belt change threads commence!

Speaking of Boxters and $100K, I saw a Cayman S recently at a car show with a sticker of $97K and change. I'm sorry, they are nice and all, but there is just no way on Earth I'm paying 100K for a Boxter. It amazes me they can sell any at that price.

**F1tommy** · #**399** 03-07-2013, 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMayor

Hmmmm.... belt driven. Everyone is moving to chains now. Alfa's used chains since the 50's. Kinda disappointing.

All the Alfa v6's used belts including the 24 valve. I agree this is not a good idea on high output motors, but for weight it does save a few pounds. They better develop some really strong belts if the engine ends up producing 300hp on later versions or they will have belts snapping.

Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expoi 2013-Chicago March 23rd 2013

**boxerman** · #**400** 03-07-2013, 06:15 AM

Ok so just under 2000lbs and 240BHP, but with turbo. A circa 2101 lotus exige weighs 2100lbs and has 260bhp with a non lag supercharger.

Where exactly is the performance improvement here. Maybe the DCT gets better acceleration. Once you get over $70K is not a lotus evora vtte etc in the cards?

Remember they said originally $50k. Apparently the launch edition is the one for 70k the others will cost less.

If the stradale is lighter still and has over 300bhp for under 70k then we are talking. Otherwise its too underpowered and expensive to really make the cut with the trackday crowd who currently run lotus and some porches, which I think would be the natural market for this car. You know people who like lightweight giant slayers and dont mind paying for it, even if it means and expensive small carr for the price of a vette.

This is not a limited production item, they want to sell a few thousand per year, it has to be a competitive proposition on more than looks.