Alfa USA 2013/2014

**F1tommy** · #1 01-30-2012, 04:25 PM

Here is an update from what I have read and heard about Alfa Romeo's return and production of Alfa's in the USA and North America.

2013

Early 1st-2nd quarter

4C and CUV based on Kamal with 1750 Turbo motor, 7 speed DTC gearbox and 4 wheel drive available in the US market. 4C production in Italy and CUV production in Toledo, Ohio.
CUV based on Giulietta chassis.

mid to late 3rd and 4th quarter

MiTo 2 and 4 door redesigned and available in the US market. Not sure where production for MiTo will be yet.

2014

Early 2nd quarter

Giulia sedan and wagon available in US market. Production at Belvidere, Illinois. Engine options to include 1750 turbo motor.

Link:

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/anyt...ml#post1098667

Will keep this thread updated when information becomes available.

Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2012-Chicago March 17th 2012

**F1tommy** · #2 01-30-2012, 05:59 PM

Some photos of the CUV and Giulia concepts:

Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2012-Chicago March 17th 2012

**F1tommy** · #3 01-30-2012, 06:05 PM

And the Alfa 4C:

**F1tommy** · #4 02-02-2012, 09:59 AM

More photos of the concept CUV+test mule and the original FIAT/Alfa timetable. Some have been moved up and others back. Most think the CUV and 4C will be in FIAT dealers sometime before mid 2013. No 'NEW" MiTo 2014 concept photos yet. We should get the final CUV and 4C photos sometime this year.

On another note, the Giulietta based Dodge Dart will go on sale later this year. It is built in the same factory the new Giulia will be made.

Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2012-Chicago March 17th 2012

Dino V · #5 02-02-2012, 12:55 PM

Looking forward to their launch in the US again.

**sjmst** · #6 02-02-2012, 01:35 PM

Great news, hope it happens!

Tifosi15 · #7 02-02-2012, 03:44 PM

Have missed this thread, thanks for all the info

classic308 · #8 02-02-2012, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F1tommy

Here is an update from what I have read and heard about Alfa Romeo's return and production of Alfa's in the USA and North America.

2013

Early 1st-2nd quarter

4C and CUV based on Kamal with 1750 Turbo motor, 7 speed DTC gearbox and 4 wheel drive available in the US market. 4C production in Italy and CUV production in Toledo, Ohio.
CUV based on Giulietta chassis.

mid to late 3rd and 4th quarter

MiTo 2 and 4 door redesigned and available in the US market. Not sure where production for MiTo will be yet.

2014

Early 2nd quarter

Giulia sedan and wagon available in US market. Production at Belvidere, Illinois. Engine options to include 1750 turbo motor.

Link:

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/anyt...ml#post1098667

Will keep this thread updated when information becomes available.

Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2012-Chicago March 17th 2012

Speriamo per il meglio Tomaso...didn't see that on the Alfa forum....

AlfettaGTV · #9 02-03-2012, 09:05 AM

Sorry, but all these cars, except the 4C will be the same pure trash as the 95% of the cars in currently in the market.
Revive Alfa to make SUVs? Please, try a better joke.

This is what Alfa should put in the market and kick to BMW in the teeth: Small light sport coupes with 1.4 turbo engines, with RWD.... or sporty berlinas.

**F1tommy** · #10 02-03-2012, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlfettaGTV

Sorry, but all these cars, except the 4C will be the same pure trash as the 95% of the cars in currently in the market.
Revive Alfa to make SUVs? Please, try a better joke.

This is what Alfa should put in the market and kick to BMW in the teeth: Small light sport coupes with 1.4 turbo engines, with RWD.... or sporty berlinas.

Although I agree with you on the CUV, they also need bigger engines than you quote to go against BMW and Audi. The 1.8 turbo is the smallest gas engine I think they will sell in North American Alfa's. I don't like the cars frontend in the photo you posted, but we do need a nice GTV and Spider.The Giulia and MiTo redesign might also end up being good. The 4C is a limited production sportscar. Alfa should target the BMW 3 and 5 series and Audi A4 and A6 along with a entry level sporty vehicle. The US and N.A. are the biggest market for cars so I guess they think the CUV is a must. They like those tanks in the USA and Canada. They also seem to like minivans and CUV's in Europe since you see them all over the place on the German and French highways. I like smaller sports sedans/cars, but most people seem to like medium sized sports sedans/cars loaded with power options. FIAT will adapt to what they think will sell.

Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2012-Chicago March 17th 2012

**velocetwo** · #11 02-03-2012, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlfettaGTV

Sorry, but all these cars, except the 4C will be the same pure trash as the 95% of the cars in currently in the market.
Revive Alfa to make SUVs? Please, try a better joke.

This is what Alfa should put in the market and kick to BMW in the teeth: Small light sport coupes with 1.4 turbo engines, with RWD.... or sporty berlinas.

But the statistics speak, 4 door cars out sell 2 door in the USA. And SUV style out sell sedans. Your going to need a bigger engine to beat BMW.

AlfettaGTV · #12 02-03-2012, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by velocetwo

But the statistics speak, 4 door cars out sell 2 door in the USA. And SUV style out sell sedans. Your going to need a bigger engine to beat BMW.

The 1.4 Turbo Multiair engine fitted to the Giulietta it's a blast to drive with 170bhp, no less. And I think the Giulietta is not a light car with 1.365kg, in fact is a heavy car. I'm sure it's a great contender against similar class BMW.

The question here is if Alfa Romeo wants to be another vulgar "car seller" with no identity, no soul, no inspiration in the past and no-nothing. Sorry, but I'm not going to buy a Giulietta, a overweight car, even less a SUV... oh, my god, these are the less utile cars ever invented. They perform poor on open roads and get stuck if they get their wheels over more than 10cm of mud. And people think they are safe!! It's the greatest swindle ever!!

But men.... I WILL SELL MY SOUL TO SATAN to sit my ar*e in the car of the pic if they only promised me the same 170bhp, 1050kg and RWD in the range of 25.000euros

Sorry, but USA will not save Alfa Romeo.
May be they have market studies and so on, but they are wrong.
British did the same in the 70's and 80's..... and where are they now?

A friend of mine is right: "Alfa died when the last 75 was made in Arese. Since 1992, Alfa is a dead trademark as Simca or Talbot. They can use the name and the logos, but the real soul will be no longer in these artifacts."

**F1tommy** · #13 02-03-2012, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlfettaGTV

The 1.4 Turbo Multiair engine fitted to the Giulietta it's a blast to drive with 170bhp, no less. And I think the Giulietta is not a light car with 1.365kg, in fact is a heavy car. I'm sure it's a great contender against similar class BMW.

But men.... I WILL SELL MY SOUL TO SATAN to sit my ar*e in the car of the pic if they only promised me the same 170bhp, 1050kg and RWD in the range of 25.000euros

Sorry, but USA will not save Alfa Romeo.
May be they have market studies and so on, but they are wrong.
British did the same in the 70's and 80's..... and where are they now?

A friend of mine is right: "Alfa died when the last 75 was made in Arese. Since 1992, Alfa is a dead trademark as Simca or Talbot. They can use the name and the logos, but the real soul will be no longer in these artifacts."

Well the 75 had a 2.5 and 3.0 in the US and Canadian markets. The 75 was also not a very good car, although it had some very nice engineering due to the Alfetta chassis. The details were cheap and not well designed. I remember test driving a new one and thinking it was thrown together designwise. The 164 was a much better car, although front drive was a mistake for Alfa. If Alfa wants to compete in the upscale market against BMW and Audi they will need the bigger engines. Also like BMW, Mercedes, Audi ect. they will need a CUV for both Europe and N.A. That still leaves room for Alfa sportscars and sedans, but I think they will be expensive.

Mercedes and BMW also build CUV's in the USA with engines made in Germany. That is what Alfa will also do, only with engines made in Italy.

Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2012-Chicago March 17th 2012

classic308 · #14 02-03-2012, 02:13 PM

my Milano 2.5 sounds better than my current E90 325....we need an Italian alternative to the countless A4/BMW 3/MB C-class autos-they are good cars but variety is the spice of life and I'd like to see an Alfa in this class of automobile.

johnei · #15 02-03-2012, 08:26 PM

I'm not convinced the bigger engine argument is correct. BMW's new '28' engine is a 2.0L 4 cylinder turbo making 240hp / 260 lb-ft and it is more efficient than their 335d.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/02/01/n...d-335d-diesel/

**velocetwo** · #16 02-04-2012, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlfettaGTV

The 1.4 Turbo Multiair engine fitted to the Giulietta it's a blast to drive with 170bhp, no less. And I think the Giulietta is not a light car with 1.365kg, in fact is a heavy car. I'm sure it's a great contender against similar class BMW.

The question here is if Alfa Romeo wants to be another vulgar "car seller" with no identity, no soul, no inspiration in the past and no-nothing. Sorry, but I'm not going to buy a Giulietta, a overweight car, even less a SUV... oh, my god, these are the less utile cars ever invented. They perform poor on open roads and get stuck if they get their wheels over more than 10cm of mud. And people think they are safe!! It's the greatest swindle ever!!

But men.... I WILL SELL MY SOUL TO SATAN to sit my ar*e in the car of the pic if they only promised me the same 170bhp, 1050kg and RWD in the range of 25.000euros

Sorry, but USA will not save Alfa Romeo.
May be they have market studies and so on, but they are wrong.
British did the same in the 70's and 80's..... and where are they now?

A friend of mine is right: "Alfa died when the last 75 was made in Arese. Since 1992, Alfa is a dead trademark as Simca or Talbot. They can use the name and the logos, but the real soul will be no longer in these artifacts."

The cost of building a chassis from the ground up is just too expensive, that is why Bertone and Pinnifarina are going out of business, Zagato was smart enough to understand this and focuses on low volume high end cars.

The Italians are terrible marketeers IMO, they have some of the best brand names like Alfa and Maserati yet they have done so little to promote them.

classic308 · #17 02-04-2012, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by velocetwo

The cost of building a chassis from the ground up is just too expensive, that is why Bertone and Pinnifarina are going out of business, Zagato was smart enough to understand this and focuses on low volume high end cars.

The Italians are terrible marketeers IMO, they have some of the best brand names like Alfa and Maserati yet they have done so little to promote them.

Si!

classic308 · #18 02-07-2012, 09:14 AM

http://www.insideline.com/alfa-romeo...rst-drive.html

nice review....

Formula 1 · #19 02-12-2012, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlfettaGTV

Sorry, but all these cars, except the 4C will be the same pure trash as the 95% of the cars in currently in the market.
Revive Alfa to make SUVs? Please, try a better joke.

This is what Alfa should put in the market and kick to BMW in the teeth: Small light sport coupes with 1.4 turbo engines, with RWD.... or sporty berlinas.

Jesus Christ that looks so Bad A**!

**F1tommy** · #20 02-13-2012, 06:38 PM

Cool looking Disco retro concept to debut at the Geneva Autoshow next month. Milan based Touring reborn is doing the car wich is based on an Alfa 8C chassis. I think Alfa styling is headed in the right direction. The 159 replacement will also debut, called the Giulia.

Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2012-Chicago March 17th 2012