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Bizzarrini AMX for sale

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  1. velocetwo

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  2. XR4Tim

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    Protoypefan needs this.
     
  3. velocetwo

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    Rodger that
     
  4. johnhoughtaling

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    Very cool car, but $900k? No way.
     
  5. prototypefan

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    Incredible car and yes I need to own one to compliment the AMC AMX/I Vignale prototype and the AMC AMX/II prototype.
    Fortunately for me there are 6 of the AMX/3 cars, to the untrained eye they are quite similar but quite different in reality.
    I've not had the privilege of driving one but I just put over 2000 miles on my Bizzarrini 5300 and if these cars perform similar they would be a hoot. I know one of the cars had a ton of issues and has never really properly functioned. Unconfirmed stories have the problem being the American design and specs with European manufacturing, apparently many of the assembly holes did not line up.
    Two of the cars did rack up some miles, Richard Teague racked up over 30,000 miles on his.
    The car for sale did run and hard, testing at Monza at very high speeds. Some of the period pieces from the Monza test photos did not make it on the car during the restoration and one could easily say that it looks much cleaner without them.
    It will be interesting to see how the market reacts to this car. Recent sales of Bizzarrini's are in the 375-600 range, Grifo's are 250-400, Mangusta's are 85-175. Arguably more relevant would be the Manta which was a no sale at 850 (it's much easier to guage market prices when they sell).
    The AMX/3 is an AMC. Without AMC writing the cheque and letting Richard Teague loose these cars would never have seen the light of day. Without Teague these cars would not exist, he had a ton of European influence and loved Italian cars. Bizzarrini did the construction but should not get credit for the existence of them.....besides Bizzarrini American Motors eXperimental number 3 does sound silly.
    I will own one......so who is gonna start the bidding war?
     
  6. velocetwo

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    Bizzarrini has stated numerous times that the AMX was the best handling of all the cars he built, and it was road tested to 170 MPH. Even BMW gave it a thumbs up during testing. Unlike the Manta this car can be driven long distances and was sorted out. I think the price is right in the ballpark for such a rare interesting drivable car.

    Would love to see a road test of this car and a Pantera.
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    Rumor is the AMX3 had a front lift problem at speed. The Pantera starts to feel light by 150mph - most owners have some sort of front aero device to avoid this. Pantera chassis designed by Dellara (of indy car fame) and is quite good. Most cars are well sorted by this time. Pantera uses the near indestructable ZF -2 transaxle - the AMX3????

    Wouldn't trade my Pantera for anything. Well, ok. a P3/4 and a 275GTB/4 alloy.
     
  9. PSk

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    Remember he designed the 250GTO which has a Kamm tail ...
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  10. velocetwo

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    Bizzarrini got 170 out of the AMX in it's first trials, I will just leave it at that.It used the Cambi OTO Melara This was a very good unit but very rare. Bizzarrini later built P538's using the ZF because it was available.
     
  11. velocetwo

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    Yep way ahead of Pete Brock and Ford
     
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    If you want to know where the 308 gtb got it's front end everyone loves so much, just look at this car made in 1970.
     
  13. velocetwo

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    I see it now
     
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    Good! Hope to see this one at another Billings type rally ...

     
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    #15 staatsof, Aug 14, 2013
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    Having spent quite a bit of time trying to get the cooling and high speed stability right on a couple of Boras I can see that this has a similar layout except for two crucial differences.

    The exhaust venting on the hood is much farther back so it probably is a better flow with less obstruction. It might actually work correctly ... The design of Bora was more focused on luggage which it did quite well.

    The rear hatch has ventilation. I wonder if it's in the correct configuration to actually work effectively.

    That rear flip up panel ???? That's where the Bora has some venting but it doesn't work at all as a vent. I think there's already too much down force in that location to be effective as a vent area so this seems like a good place to put in a pop up spoiler. I wonder if those louvers in the plastic were effective.

    Horrid placement for a spare tire just like the Bora. Blocks air flow and I'm of the opinion that ventilation should have been on the backside of the Kamm tail like this:

    File:Ford GT40 (rear).jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    But then there's the styling issues ...

    The Bora has a lot of rear lift at high speed from air piling up in the engine compartment.

    So maybe these vents in the hatch alleviate all of that pressure in there?

    This car has very nice proportions and some nice details in that front end as well.

    Too bad about it being so red. I think it would look much better in some other more interesting colors that show off the body's design details.
     
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    Wow i predict this will sell above asking
    Giotto is the 2nd coming of Da vinci!
     
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    It very badly needs to lose those horrid side marker lights.
     
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    The version with the round tail lights isn't too bad either.
     
  21. prototypefan

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    None of the six cars are the same. The Sciabola has three lights per side just like a 365 boxer and the back half of the car is much longer also.

    It is surprising how the little details really clean up the look of a car.
     
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    One could never say it is a great looking car. What it does manage to achieve is an American muscle car look ... interesting.
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    Oh I don't know about that. I think the version in the first two photos of the previous post are pretty nice?
     
  24. Olivier NAMECHE

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    At least, we all know there are 6x AMX/3 and in the future a special book won't reveal there is a 7th, a 8th.... sorry it's a belgian joke !!!
     

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