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Old 01-20-2017, 05:21 PM
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Road course race at Charlotte? Could a road course race be in Charlotte Motor Speedway's future? Last Friday, AJ Allmendinger tested on what was roughly a 2.3-mile circuit similar to Daytona International Speedway that incorporates both the infield in Turns 1 and 2 and the regular 1.5-mile oval according to multiple sources. The test was a collaboration between Charlotte Motor Speedway and NASCAR. Sources said Charlotte could incorporate the road course as early as the All-Star Race, which is scheduled for May 20. It's more likely the road course would be used for the fall Chase race on Oct. 7. Fans have been clamoring for a road course in NASCAR's playoffs and Charlotte could offer the perfect solution. Certainly, if the Charlotte plan comes to fruition, transitioning to a road course could be an option at other facilities. Indianapolis Motor Speedway and Kansas Speedway, for instance, already feature road courses as part of their landscape.(Motorsport)(1-20-2017)
This is badly needed, the Gen 6 car makes for awful racing on the Charlotte oval. Even qualifying under an otherwise exciting format was boring last year. Slot cars.

If you can't change the cars, change the tracks, hope it works.
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Old 01-21-2017, 12:52 AM
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"Indianapolis Motor Speedway and Kansas Speedway, for instance, already feature road courses as part of their landscape.(Motorsport)(1-20-2017)"
As do Phoenix and Talladega. 'Could be more. I just know IMSA ran on those two also...

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This is badly needed, the Gen 6 car makes for awful racing on the Charlotte oval. Even qualifying under an otherwise exciting format was boring last year. Slot cars.
If you can't change the cars, change the tracks, hope it works.
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It's not so much the cars per se as much as it is that the cars and tire technology have made the banked turns nearly straightaways. In road racing terms they would be called "bends", not corners/turns.

I've been proposing for years that a spec harder tire be used for all racing series. Puts the driving skill back in the equation. The alternative to that for NASCAR would be the shaving of the banking but then the visibility from the stands and infield would be compromised.

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Old 01-21-2017, 01:33 AM
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I have raced at charlotte msny times in scca snd imsa over the years. Mickey mouse track and infield is a joke.
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Old 01-21-2017, 01:37 AM
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As do Phoenix and Talladega. 'Could be more. I just know IMSA ran on those two also...

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It's not so much the cars per se as much as it is that the cars and tire technology have made the banked turns nearly straightaways. In road racing terms they would be called "bends", not corners/turns.

I've been proposing for years that a spec harder tire be used for all racing series. Puts the driving skill back in the equation. The alternative to that for NASCAR would be the shaving of the banking but then the visibility from the stands and infield would be compromised.

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The car's at Charlotte can't run 100% for more than a lap before tire degradation kicks in. They are floating around at less than what the car can actually do. When down-force is reduced as they get close, the tire temps rise drastically to make the same lap as the car in front.

A harder tire compound is not something I thought of, I was primarily thinking of a less aero dependent cup car. It would change the situation, but what would really be called for is both reduced aero wash, aero dependency, and a tire that can provide the edge of grip without temperature induced degradation.

Unfortunately, for those in the stands, the road course is subject to quite a bit of elevation, only the stands past the start finish line and into turn 1 would actually be able to see the whole race.

However, Charlotte has that big freakin' TV behind the backstretch, so I think the experience would still be good.

The reason the tire is not likely to happen, is it allows inferior "money drivers" to use up their tires more to hold similar lap times, providing the race doesn't stay green, they can keep up, maybe get a lap back on wave around or lucky dog. The real talent conserves their tires while setting the pace to follow, only finally waking things up in the final laps.

There is also car setup choice involved, Joey Logano setup his car for the chase setting race at Phoenix for the short run after a restart, rather than long lap pace. The yellow's came fast enough for him the car going off pace in the long run didn't drop him out of range of getting to the front on the next restarts.
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A problem with using the road course, is that has been space used for attendee's, campers, etc. I guess if attendance is down, perhaps it won't matter.
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I have raced at charlotte msny times in scca snd imsa over the years. Mickey mouse track and infield is a joke.
Posting at the same time again.

I think with 40 cup cars, it will be worth tuning in for. It is narrow, and fairly one groove, but it would shake things up from the way the CMS cup races have been since the Gen 6 car.

How would it effect the ride height? would they still use the slammed setup they do now? The banking is I guess more vertical load than even the elevation of the infield, so perhaps the answer is yes.
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I forgot Homestead has a road course too, of course.

Terv - You discuss Cup cars as tho' they have tons of downforce. They do not. They have no tunnels nor diffusers or even wings. Their downforce is only in the hundreds, not thousands like GTP and Indycars used to have with ground effects.....

(plus the discrepency 'tween the ratio of Cup and Indy/GTP downforce to actual weight/chassis tech of the cars is huge in regard to cornering ability.

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Old 01-21-2017, 02:55 AM
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The car's at Charlotte can't run 100% for more than a lap before tire degradation kicks in. They are floating around at less than what the car can actually do. When down-force is reduced as they get close, the tire temps rise drastically to make the same lap as the car in front.

The reason the tire is not likely to happen, is it allows inferior "money drivers" to use up their tires more to hold similar lap times, providing the race doesn't stay green, they can keep up, maybe get a lap back on wave around or lucky dog. The real talent conserves their tires while setting the pace to follow, only finally waking things up in the final laps.

There is also car setup choice involved, Joey Logano setup his car for the chase setting race at Phoenix for the short run after a restart, rather than long lap pace. The yellow's came fast enough for him the car going off pace in the long run didn't drop him out of range of getting to the front on the next restarts.
You've lost me altogether now. You started the thread with "This is badly needed, the Gen 6 car makes for awful racing on the Charlotte oval. Even qualifying under an otherwise exciting format was boring last year. Slot cars."

RE: " and a tire that can provide the edge of grip without temperature induced degradation."' tires don't do that at all. Drivers determine it; the tires are just along for the ride.
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Seems to me that there was a huge shunt at Charlotte during an IMSA GTP event where
Bob Akin's Porsche was destroyed.

IIRC, the way the pit lane and the entrance to Turn One blended was extremely dangerous
as basically cars exiting the pits rejoined right on the racing line with cars on the track
going flat out into Turn One.

There is probably a video of this shut posted somewhere but recall at the time there
was a big brouhaha about it.

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Old 01-21-2017, 07:38 AM
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Seems to me that there was a huge shunt at Charlotte during an IMSA GTP event where
Bob Akin's Porsche was destroyed.

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That's it!

Remember at the time, the configuration of the way the entrance to the infield and the
pit lane exit blended caused a lot of controversy.

Seeing that video again, in hindsight of course, it was amazing that there was not some
sort of protective barrier on the inside (driver's left).

Imagine the difference in braking between a GTP car and today's NASCAR cars. Those
big old heavy turtles with tiny brakes, Charlotte would have to completely rethink that
infield entrance before they'd be crazy enough to try actually racing a full field there.

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And Away We Go!

NASCAR set to announce new points awarding system, races broken into segments
to attract "young fans".

Let's see, take an already convoluted points system, make it even more convoluted,
in order to bring in newly made up "young fans" with the attention span of moths
that don't know the difference between a piston and a wheel nut.

Good going NASCAR...

Report: NASCAR to announce points and race format changes Monday

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Keep it up pretty soon it will be.......
"Will yes Joey got the checkered flag, BUT the driver who crossed third has more points so he/she is the actual winner"
Next up, violations and penalties for "touching" another car with your car during the race
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NASCAR set to announce new points awarding system, races broken into segments
to attract "young fans".

Let's see, take an already convoluted points system, make it even more convoluted,
in order to bring in newly made up "young fans" with the attention span of moths
that don't know the difference between a piston and a wheel nut.

Good going NASCAR...

Report: NASCAR to announce points and race format changes Monday

BHW
The sad thing, is if you leave the gimmicks off, you end up with legendary races. I was part of a 12hr go kart race that only had one full course yellow in that 12hr period. Last lap pass for the lead after 12hr's of going at it naturally.

The sad thing is, instead of figuring out what made them one of the largest entertainment get togethers, and expanding on that, they are ripping up what they had to chase the wind.
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NASCAR set to announce new points awarding system, races broken into segments
to attract "young fans".

Let's see, take an already convoluted points system, make it even more convoluted,
in order to bring in newly made up "young fans" with the attention span of moths
that don't know the difference between a piston and a wheel nut.

Good going NASCAR...

Report: NASCAR to announce points and race format changes Monday

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NASCAR Cup race formats to undergo significant changes for 2017


****ing ridiculous.

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Admittedly, its still rumors. Until Monday, we won't know for sure.
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just heard that carl Edwards has left jgr...said to have retired. cannot confirm yet but a hell of a rumor.
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just heard that carl Edwards has left jgr...said to have retired. cannot confirm yet but a hell of a rumor.
yep, retired. did a press conference a week or two ago. Suarez will replace him
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Is there any doubt this is at the behest of Monster?

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yep, retired. did a press conference a week or two ago. Suarez will replace him
Retired? NASCAR drivers don't retire out of the blue, especially after they've made
two close runs at the championship (such as it is) and they're making tens of millions
of dollars per year selling t-shirts and trinkets.

NASCAR drivers only retire when their bodies can no longer handle the bajillion race
per year schedule, have too many concussions or they're just too damn old to compete
against the kids anymore.

Edwards was forced out but title sponsor, Arris, a Mexican company owned by Carlos
Slim. Slim wanted Suarez in the car for the (insert new sponsor name here) Cup. Edwards
was unceremoniously bumped and no matter what was said in the press conference, his
"retirement" will be short lived and he'll be back in a car the minute a seat is available.
Whom are we kidding here?

Com'on guys, Drumpf hasn't affected your brains this badly already has he?

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