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Old 03-18-2017, 08:42 PM
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Light yellow 1976 Turbo, chassis # 9306700037, for sale in Switzerland. No affiliation.

Porsche 930 turbo 3.0 Erstzulassung 1975 Hellgelb ŕ CH-6900*Lugano Suisse
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Old 03-19-2017, 09:17 AM
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Love LY on 930
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Old 03-19-2017, 02:35 PM
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Thanks idart. These guys contacted me almost 2 years ago and shot the film over 2 days. What a pain for 5 minutes of footage lol. Seeing/hearing yourself talk so much is weird.

The action footage is from the Snoqualmie Valley area around Seattle. The bridge at the beginning is about a 45 second drive from my hi school, Mt. Si.

I do like the footage with the sun going down towards the end.
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Old 03-19-2017, 05:17 PM
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I promise I will, but I can't just yet. It is an interesting car with an interesting story.
Still working out the details
I'll give you a hint.....
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:27 PM
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Ah yes, if that's the color I think it is, you've definitely piqued my interested.. Always interested how these Euro cars end up State side. Keep us posted..
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Old 03-20-2017, 02:32 PM
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Does anyone know what the cost was for Interior to Sample back in 1976?
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Old 03-20-2017, 07:10 PM
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I've been trying to catalog what is actually different between the various type 930 engines (930/50-54) and went through a late 1970s parts catalog. Other than one or two minor items, here are all the part differences for each engine type. Perhaps this will help us understand the real differences between these engines better.

The most interesting differences appear to be the camshaft, fuel distributor, intake manifold, throttle housing, exhaust silencer and oil pump. The other changes appear to just be various control lines, tubes, etc to mate those.

There are some other changes that are USA specific, like thermal reactors, which don't show up as differences in the parts catalog based on the engine type itself. Also, note that this was from a January 1979 parts catalog, so earlier parts that were replaced by Porsche with improved versions would have been replaced.


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Camshaft differences

930/50 930.105.141.00
930/51/52 930.105.143.00

Exhaust gas elbow

930/51 930.111 .035.01
930/53/54 930.111.035.03

Bypass line

930/51 930.123.033.00
930/53/54 930.123.033.01

Throttle Housings

930/50 930.110.247.02
930/52 930.110.247.05 (Mod. Nr. 75??)
930/52 930.110.247.10 (Mod. Nr. 76??)
930/51 930.110.247.07
930/52 930.110.247.08
930/51 930.110.247.09

Air intake

930/50 930.110.015.04 - RoW Only
930/51/52 930.110.015.05 (Mod Nr. 75???) - RoW/USA
930/?? 930.110.015.06 (Mod Nr. 76??) - RoW/USA

Warm-up air regulator

930/51/52/54 930.606.102.00
930/53 930.606.102.01 (1977 USA only)

Fuel distributor

930/50 930.110.806.00
930/51/52/53/54 930.110.804.00

Oil line

930/50 930.107 .125.01
930/51/52/53/54 930.107 .125.03

Oil drip receiver

930/50/52 930.107.001.04
930/51/53/54 930.107.004.00

Oil pump

930/50 930.107.003.00
930/51/52/53/54 930.107.003.01

Oil tube line

930/50 930.107.337.00
930/51/52/53/54 930.107.338.00

Oil tube

930/50 930.107.335.01
930/51/52/53/54 930.107.336.00

Vent tube

930/50/52 930.123.043.01
930/51 930.123.117.00
930/53/54 930.123.117.01

Control line

930/50/52/53/54 930.123.053.01
930/51 930.123.115.00 (USA)
All 930 engines 930.123.115.01 (ROW and USA)

Exhaust muffler
930/51/53 930.111.025.04 (USA)
930/54 930.111.025.05 (Japan)

Intake manifold

930/50 930.110.031.02
930/51/52 930.110.031.03
930/53 930.110.031.04
930/54 930.110.031.06

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Old 03-20-2017, 07:51 PM
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Very cool Ryan. Great documentation. I think the waste gate is another part that is different.
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:11 PM
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Sorry the formatting is poor

Yes, waste gate changed with at least three different variations starting from the early 930/50. I suspect the parts manual didn't list this since I believe the specification on all three was the same, just the manufacturer and housing style are different. I've added this to my list of things to dig into more.

UPDATE: I went back to the parts catalog for the late 1975 and the wastegate was listed as PN 930.123.127.00 (note that the Garrett wastegate was stamped with PN 930.127.00, without the .123.). I re-checked my parts catalog with updates through 1/79 and the wastegate part number was missing entirely! The diagram showed the wastegate, but now with 3.3 parts, and no part number was listed.

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Old 03-21-2017, 11:26 PM
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I never noticed that the exhaust tip of the 930/51/52/etc was darker colored until I started looking closely at factory photos. I wonder what kind of treatment this was.
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Rear Seats - Australian Design Rules

Posting this here for info.

I was chatting with my trimmer yesterday about the interior of 9305700080 and he questioned the folding rear seats having red button clasps at the bottom of the seats rather than, say, leather straps and poppers. I know what he means. You think of these as 80's enhancements. In fact I even see that there is an early post on this thread commenting on a photo of the interior of '80, identifying the seats as "later".

But, the trim looks 100% original. Hmm.

As is so often the case, the attention to even the smallest detail to be found in Ryan's book on the Carrera 2.7 MFI, helped solve the mystery by referencing a 1975 Australian Carrera interior on page 185.

My '75 was delivered in Aus. As such it has an ADR plate in the front trunk. If you reference the number codes on the plate against the list of Second Edition Design Rules that had to be complied with in 1975 (https://infrastructure.gov.au/roads/...tion_adrs.aspx) you will see that ADR 3 refers to Seat Anchorages and, specifically, the requirement for folding seats to have self-locking restraining devices. So, thankfully, the seats are as they should be.

Photos below. I apologise if anyone cricks their neck on the third one, but I can't get it to sit upright!

I love this hobby. You learn something new every day...
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We're looking forward to taking our 930 back out onto the road soon!
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Old 03-22-2017, 04:00 PM
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As discussed privately with Ryan, an incredible source of NOS engine parts for the ROW turbo carrera is Freisinger in Germany.
They have what look like three original new and complete 930/50 engines in inventory.
I understand from people familiar with Freisinger that they are a very peculiar company and not very easy to work with...
Maybe if someone on the forum has strong connections with them could help Ryan getting access to pictures of these original engines!
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Old 03-22-2017, 06:21 PM
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Posting this here for info.

I was chatting with my trimmer yesterday about the interior of 9305700080 and he questioned the folding rear seats having red button clasps at the bottom of the seats rather than, say, leather straps and poppers. I know what he means. You think of these as 80's enhancements. In fact I even see that there is an early post on this thread commenting on a photo of the interior of '80, identifying the seats as "later".

But, the trim looks 100% original. Hmm.

As is so often the case, the attention to even the smallest detail to be found in Ryan's book on the Carrera 2.7 MFI, helped solve the mystery by referencing a 1975 Australian Carrera interior on page 185.
Great details…

I had that discussion with Ryan for his Carrera 2.7 MFI book and couldn’t believe the red button clasps were implemented for the Australian 1975 Turbos but as we know from his detailed book, they actually were. IMO, the buttons are actually much better than the straps and it’s hard to believe that Porsche did not implement them world-wide until the 1986 model year.
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It would be interesting to catalog the differences between the parts listed above for each of the engine types. For instance, why was the throttle housing different for each type of engine? Why was the intake manifold different for each engine type EXCEPT the 930/52 shared the intake manifold from the USA model 930/51?
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We're looking forward to taking our 930 back out onto the road soon!
Nice 930 Travis!
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I never noticed that the exhaust tip of the 930/51/52/etc was darker colored until I started looking closely at factory photos. I wonder what kind of treatment this was.
I recently bought an original but brand new exhaust via Porsche, and the tip wasnt darker colored, it was matte vs polished for the rest. When that treatment sits and goes through a lot of heat cycles, it turns darker..
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I recently bought an original but brand new exhaust via Porsche, and the tip wasnt darker colored, it was matte vs polished for the rest. When that treatment sits and goes through a lot of heat cycles, it turns darker..
Porsche sells an exhaust muffler made by Dansk Autoparts, not the original part. Its just a repro part.
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Old 03-24-2017, 04:18 PM
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I have the original one, but its rusted all round. Anyone ever restored these? QUite a dent in an all original car to have a dansk?
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Old 03-25-2017, 07:04 AM
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idart - given your vast accumulation of knowledge and articles on the early Turbo's, might you (or anyone else indeed) have any more references for articles where NLP 83P is featured?

I own this car now and have this article you mention, along with books by Michael Cotton and Chris Harvey where the car has featured, but there are a good number of magazine articles where it features, as it was the Porsche Cars Great Britian demo car at the time, that I don't have but would be interested in collecting.

Thanks.....
Ciarán - the May 27, 1976 Motoring News has a nice article featuring NLP 83P. The article mentions that your car was equipped with an additional spare tire:

“Standard equipment on the Carrera range is a B.F. Goodrich Spacesaver tyre, which is mounted on a narrow rim and nestles at the front of the shallow luggage compartment in a space moulded into the 17.5 gallon petrol tank. A tiny compressor pump, which plugs into the dashboard cigar lighter, inflates the tyre, but one major snag is that British law doesn’t allow the crossply Spacersaver to be mixed with the radial tyres, and it is therefore illegal! So, our test car was equipped with an extra steel wheel and a radial ply tyre, and any customer wishing to comply with the letter of the law would have to buy one to, losing valuable luggage space.”

The article often refers to the new model as the “930 Turbo” as in these passages:

“No other manufacture, even Ferrari, can claim an unbroken connection with endurance racing with all the experience fed back to the production line, which makes our test this week on the Porsche 930 Turbo especially interesting.”

“Originally intended for a short production run for homologation, demand in all countries, including the UK, was such that the type 930 now has a permanent place on the Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen production line, and more than 1000 examples have been built so far.”
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