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How many F12’s were produced?

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  1. stan996turbo

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    Does anyone know the total number of F12’s(non TDF) Ferrari made?
     
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  3. MDEL

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    Official numbers haven't been released and the only exact numbers known are the European sales. By comparing this number with Ferrari's sales distribution worldwide it's possible to say with a good degree of accuracy that the total number of F12 Berlinettas made was around 5000 cars.
     
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    I have see it reported that about 2200 for the USA, 812SF is under 1000 due to over supply to Europe and now 812SF production is over, USA dealer's have scarce ability to order from what I found.
     
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  6. gliazzurri

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    812 fairly rare actually!!
     
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  7. Solid State

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    Curious why you ask.
     
  8. stan996turbo

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    General curiosity. I know Ferrari has been increasing production since going public and wanted to see how that affected a historically low volume series of their cars.
     
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    I would have said around 4500-5000, then your calculation is quite a good guess too.
     
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    When F12 was released the entire annual Ferrari build I think was only 5xxx. Things have changed.
     
  11. Dubaicity

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    On carsalesbase.com you can see that they sold in Europe:

    F12B (2012-2017) 21xx
    812SF (2017-2020) 20xx




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  12. ANOpax

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    It's quite simple to get the data from Ferrari's IPO prospectus and annual reports.
    I have had to make some assumptions about LaF Aperta and 812 production numbers in 2017 but you may adjust as you wish.
    By my reckoning, c 4,600 F12B were produced.

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    Did you assume that he total V12 Sports production numbers don't include also the V12's FF and GTC4?
     
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    Yes. The FF and Lusso V12 are categorised separately as ‘V12 GT’ production in the annual reports.
     
  15. MDEL

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    Your method for coming-up with the total number of F12's Berlinetta made is brilliant and thank you for sharing it with us. According with Carsalesbase which is a reliable statistical source, the 812's started being sold in Europe on July 2017 and the number of 812's sold in that market was 41 in 2017 and 534 in 2018. In 2017 and also during a good part of 2018, most 812's produced were delivered to European customers. Due to the fact that Ferrari doesn't stock cars and as soon as they are made they are delivered to the customers, the number of cars produced can't be too far from the number of cars sold. That makes me think that the number you indicated on the table for the 812's produced during 2017 as being 666, could be substantially lower. However, and independently of what the exact number of 812's made in 2017 is, your calculation method is a reliable one and confirms that the previously indicated number of approximately 5000 F12's made was a good guess.
     
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    Thank you for the kind words MDEL. You're right that I might have over-estimated the number of 812 produced but I couldn't see what else might account for the V12 Sport volume in 2017 as there were no other V12 sport models being made except the final TdF and some LaF Aperta. ' Worst case', I could see 100 LaF Aperta and 350 TdF being made so perhaps 450 out of 998 - which leaves c.550 812 produced in 2017.

    According to the 2017 annual report, the 812 was launched in February 2017. Shipments commenced in 3Q17 to EMEA and 4Q17 to Americas.
    I based my 666 estimate for 812 production on the April production start date - but that comes from wiki so may not be reliable. While the carsalesbase tracks registrations to customers, would it also track dealer demonstrator cars? I can envisage a scenario whereby a lot of the initial production volume fills the dealer network (demonstrators and showroom models) without ending up in the hands of customers. And some of the volume recorded as produced at 31 December 2017 will have left the factory gate but not made it to the customer until 2018...
     
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    The Carsalesbase figures are sourced from the Manufacturers, ANDC and JATO Dynamics. Because the information comes from different sources I'm not sure what they mean by Sales but in the case of Ferraris I presume they consider that cars have been sold when they've been delivered to the dealers or have their plate number registered.
     
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    I've found 100 odd runout 599s (Alonso, GTO and Apertas) for 2012 and cut the number of 812 produced in 2017 back to 550. Doesn't change the bottom line much.

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    With roughly 25% allocation for the Americas that's roughly 1500 F12s in USA. That's actually pretty rare. I always thought F12s were fairly common like the 458 but in actuality it's quite rare.
     
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    Do we think total ff production was more or less than the f12 ?
     
  21. 456-boy

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    A but more than 3000 FF and between 4500-5000 F12 berlinetta (not counting the tdf and F60). So « much more » F12 :)
     
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    About 4300 in total, including 1400 in Europe and 1500 in the United States
     
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    Any Idea of the number of F12's for the UK please?
     
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    I think I saw somewhere that there were about 350 UK cars excluding TDFs
     
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  25. ANOpax

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    We know that it's much lower.
    Again, the data is sourced from Ferrari's IPO prospectus and annual reports.
    There was no overlap between 612 and FF production years so the 2011 production numbers are all FF.
    There was, however, a mix of FF and Lusso production in 2016. I have assumed that 130 out of 394 V12 GTs produced that year were FFs.

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