Story Stradales Thread

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Anyone have anymore info of the TDF repaint stradale? Watt what do you think, feel free to pm me, I don't know if its still for sale!

 

also, would like the group's opinion on the pros and cons of adding the CS stripe to a car like this?

http://www.motorcars-intl.com/vehicle_details.aspx?id=616&CAR=Ferrari-Challenge-Stradale

 

any help out there on this car??

pleeeeze??

 

Simply add the stripe...its a sticker. If you don't like it or the next owner doesn't, have it removed.

 

story here:

VIN # ZFFDU57AX40139027 , 4,509 miles

story: LEFT REAR IMPACT WITH ANOTHER VEHICLE (Case #030043880A)

http://www.ferrariofdenver.com/inventory_detail.cfm?id=982

 

What do you mean by "Case #"? Does accident show up on Car Fax or how do you know this?

I emailed FOD today about this car so that's why I'm curious.

 

Have been working on a stradale purchase and gotten to an agreement with a seller, but PPI revealed the car has had paint work done to the roof. No collision apparent anywhere on the car according to the PPI tech and car is clean on carfax, but the tech is very sure the roof has been repainted. He also said it is decent work but not factory and certainly not Premier / Dave level work. Could be related to something being dropped on the roof or a scratch from something put on it and dragged across the surface.

Anyway, not sure if this belongs on the story thread as car does seem to be "straight" but how do you guys think paintwork with no collision impacts value? Normally I'd say 10-15% hit for minor collision properly repaired and neglibile value adjustment if it was just a bumper cover respray related to rock chips, etc.

Not sure how to value a roof...

Thanks in advance...

 

accident shows up with cop case number matching this, don't do it if you value a CS, or get them to get a big big discount, I also have PPI and compression if you want for $150

guy lied to me that he said " I know the owner, he dropped a tool on it..." BS BS BS

 

It's amazing to me that Toshiba asks in another thread whether or not to purchase a CS because it's "just a 360 with alcantra", and in this thread, he's an instant expert on all things CS... Any goofball with $20 and a computer can run a carfax...

On top of that, I've seen numerous members offer genuine advice and help to Toshiba for NOTHING in return (see his thread on purchasing his first 360). The genuine concern and help of many of the members is the beauty of this community and what keeps me coming back. His offer of sharing the ONLY knowledge he has regarding a CS purchase for a mere $150 is laughable to me...

Sorry for the rant, I understand that it takes all kinds to make this world go 'round...

 

Any stories on this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170223974527&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:Watchlink:middle:us#ht_500wt_0

There are 7 stradales on eBay right now.

 

you know what sorry for saying its just a 360 with alcantara, I wrote this just after I canceled my flight / was up late / and I didn't say was that my GF was having surgery the following day... you've never been confused and wasn't on top of your game ever????

I'm sorry, did you pay $550 for the PPI and compression ? because I did at a cost of multiple talks / multiple days and $550. I don't know your financial situation but $550 is alot to me, and sorry if I'm trying to make 1/5 of it back.

is $150 not a really good deal to give someone that would cost anyone else that looks at the car $550 ? It's not a bad car and someone will buy it, just not on my list.

I guess I'm not a contributing member when I gave DJASTRAL69 8 red light bulbs that cost me $40 shipped for free!! and shipped them to him at a cost of $10 , and used my gas to go to the UPS store and my time, and wanted nothing in return. yeah I do nothing for people


oh yeah, thanks for writing this to me after I got a ticket from a punk cop for no front plate, thanks for making my day even better , thanks


EDIT: I just have to laugh at this assumption of me as I'm sure you would be very surprised how giving I am outside of Fchat. let me know if you need some examples to confirm this.

 

I don't mean this to come off as defensive or upset, afterall, you didn't even mention my name as the person you spoke to @ FoD but I also don't want you thinking I lied to you about anything. With that said...

You might want to go back and re-read the last PM I sent you a couple of days ago...I told you the carfax reported an accident not to mention the fact that I never claimed to know the owner when the damage was reported. You were given all of the information that was given to me. After I pulled a carfax and found this info, I immediately spoke to my GM about the situation, he enlightened me as to what happened and that is what I told you.

Had I known this car had some type of repair work in it's past, I would have offered that information up front...no need to waste each others time if you're not interested in purchasing a car with a damaged history (no matter how well repaired) It wasn't until after you paid for the PPI did you even ask about a carfax report and if I had a copy of the Monroney label (which I don't) It is not common for pre-owned cars to be complete with their original Monroney label...we would all like to think that Ferrari owners pass such items on to the next owner but it's not always the case. I am sorry this was not the CS for you but let me give you a bit of advice, before you go spending money on another PPI, ask the seller those type of questions first to save yourself time and money.

 

Derek:

Don't you guys run a CarFax on the cars before you take them in? I would think that on a Stradale, it would certainly be worthwhile.

 

I do not manage the Ferrari inventory, that is left up to someone else but to answer your question, yes, that is one of the first steps we take when we buy or trade for any Ferrari. I do know that we originally purchased this car from a very well known and respected Ferrari dealer on the west coast and we have have done lots of business with them over the years, maybe they were not aware of the previous damage. It's not uncommon to take the sellers word on matters like this when a good business relationship has been established.

 

http://www.motorcars-intl.com/vehicle_details.aspx?id=616&CAR=Ferrari-Challenge-Stradale

Looks like a pretty fair deal at first blush?

 

sorry derek but your a lier, plain and simple.

-You didn't send over the carfax when I asked for it because you knew it was in an accident, you said you send it over which you never did , SUPRISE SUPRISE.
-then you pass the carfax off as you know the guy and he dropped a tool on it, anyone looking at the report will see police report on it, thats not a tool.
-I asked for the window sticker ( don't try and sound all smart) and you said you would look for it, which you never wen to t look for it , after I asked you twice.
-you should call someone back / keep someone informed if there looking to buy a $200k car, not the other way around. how many times did I have to call you???
-you told me the carfax reported an accident, yeah, you did, after I asked again for the report and you didn't send it over. then lied to know saying you know the guy and he dropped a tool on it
-lying to sell a car is bad ethics, and bad karma
-you quit wasting people's time when they ask for the carfax and don't send it over. I wasn't wasting your time, you were wasting mine lying to me.

-bottom line is you need to learn what integrity is

don't buy from people like DEREK from ferrari of denver is what I learned.

 

funny, you said that you knew the guy who traded it in because he was in a car accident and knew it was time to hang up the keys................

your lucky I don't save my PM messages

EDIT: I even asked in my PM to you if it was a trade in... and you said it was. funny how you failed to mention it was from another dealer and not from this guy who is a respected buyer, until he got in his tragic accident and decided to sell off the rest of his car, saying this CS was one of them BS BS BS BS BS BS BS

 

Nice car it appears but not heavily optioned. No radio or fire extinguisher. Doesn't say it has had its major service, or new clutch or pads.

If not it will more than likey need a Major service -$3-4k, New clutch - $3-4K, new pads $5k. new rotors (very doubtful) $26k approx. Make sure to get full independant PPI

 

Stuart, you're making a lot of assumptions. My service dept did not get to the PPI as early in the day as they told me they would, I faxxed you a copy of the report as soon as I recieved it (which was about 10 min after we closed) I was also up front with you on the accident report and like I said, I did not have knowledge about the incident until I checked it via carfax. This car has had multiple owners, the previous owner I DO know, the owner of the car when the incident happened I DID NOT know. I could go on and on...here is the PM you sent me and here is my response (to jog your memory), maybe you can tell me where I tried to mis-lead you?

Originally Posted by toshiba
thanks for faxing the paperwork about the CS to me, had some questions

-did the PPI include brake pad wear %?

-did the PPI include rotor wear %?

-did the carfax report come out ok?

-did you see if the original window sticker was in the paperwork? ( important thing to me)

-was the car a trade in? why was the car sold to the dealer....


thanks derek

Hello Stuart,

I looked thru the books and did not find the window sticker. All other books, keys, tools and even the car cover are present, this was a very well cared for Ferrari.

The previous owner was a gentleman that has purchased numerous Ferraris from us over the years (456 GTA/M, 360 Modena, 550 Maranello, 575 Maranello, 360 CS, F430 F1 Coupe and a 512bbi) He totaled the 550M in a tremendous accident that if it weren't for the fact that he was driving by himself would have most definitely been a fatality...this prompted him to sell off his remaining high performance cars.

As for the carfax, it came back saying the car had been in an accident in 2004 (damaging the left rear 1/4 panel) when in reality it was damaged by the original owner that accidentally dropped something on the top of the 1/4 panel necessitating the need for paint work. I was aware of the paint work but not the fact that he had made an insurance claim, most owners pay for damage out of their own pocket so as not to throw any red flags for future resale value, (I am not saying that is the right thing to do, just stating how it's typically done). I can honestly tell you that it was done to a very high standard and is not noticeable. I value honesty and integrity and anyone that has done business with me will agree, please feel free to ask around the F-Chat community. I hope I can earn YOUR business.

Regards,
Derek

 

I am sorry everyone but I have to get this off of my chest because the information "toshiba" is spewing is pure BS and I would appreciate a moment to set the record straight, once and for all. Toshiba started a thread in the Rocky Mtn. forums about a week ago asking if the CS @ FoD was still there, I replied that it was but it was not on the showroom just yet, at no time did I try to illicit any business from him (I make it a point not to do this on F-Chat out of respect for the paid advertisers)

Toshiba called me on Wednesday saying he was going to fly out to Denver the next day to purchase the CS and that he would like a compression test performed, at that point the only issues we spoke about was the major service that had been done in our shop last fall and the 5k service that would be done as part of the sale...at this point he did not ask me for a carfax report or a copy of the window sticker. After I recieved a quote of $480 from my service dept (which included going thru the car more thoroughly than just a compression test) I called him back and he gave me a debit card to charge the service. I also told him the PPI would begin on Thursday. I made it a point to let the service dept. know that the potential buyer was flying in from the east coast so the sooner it was done the better. I offered to pick him up at the airport but he declined, saying he had family in the area that could pick him up. He had yet to make reservations so I asked him to please call me when he had made arrangements, that way I would make sure not to make any further appointments so I could give him my undivided attention.

I did not hear from him until about 2pm on Thursday and that is when he told me he wasn't going to fly out afterall but he wanted to know how the PPI was progressing. I went into the shop and they had yet to finish the service. I called him back to let him know that it would be a while before it was done, that is when he asked for a carfax report and a copy of the window sticker (he said he wouldn't buy a CS, no matter how nice if it didn't have a copy of the window sticker). I looked thru the car's file and saw there wasn't a carfax nor a copy of the sticker so I called my GM on his cell phone (Thursday is his day off) he told me we didn't have either so I promptly did a carfax search and that is the very first time I had heard anything about this car supposedly being in a car accident. I immediately called my GM back and asked him if he knew anything about the accident history and it was a resounding "No!" The report included a case # so I spent the afternoon trying to do research with the NJ PD (where the accident was reported) but came up with nothing but dead ends. It may have taken me longer to call him back than it normally would or should but I was so caught up in finding out what the hell happened to the car that I guess a few hours had passed since he made the request.

When we did speak (both over the phone and PM via F-Chat) I was upfront and told him about what the carfax had reported...I never actually faxxed him the report bacause I didn't see a point in it, the carfax was reporting an accident and we didn't have the window sticker, it was definitely a deal breaker for him and honestly, I can't say that I blame him for that...but to slander me numerous times on a public forum is not cool. If you've made it this far, thank you for taking the time read my post.

 

I posted this on another thread but I just wanted to reiterate for any in the market for any moderately expensive car: get a thorough factory-authorized inspection before the deal is sealed.

 

Isn't a Carfax one of the first things a buyer and especially a dealer does to weed out potential cars? Maybe there was some miscommunication but both stories have "flaws" in them.

 

Yeah. You'd think someone who said earlier that "$550 is alot to me" would have run a $20 vehicle history report prior to spending thirty times that amount for a PPI.