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RM Ferrari Leggenda e Passione Auction

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  1. mdsaxon

    mdsaxon Karting

    Sep 18, 2006
    237
    S.W. Florida
    #76 mdsaxon, May 17, 2009
    Last edited: May 17, 2009
    Stalling a bit.
    @ about $9.5mm reserve comes off.
    It's @ $11mm before fees.
    (I think the original owner started this car's asking price last year around $15mm.)
    Sold @ 8.2mm euros...around $12.2mm with buyers fees.
     
  2. bigodino

    bigodino F1 World Champ
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    Apr 29, 2004
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    no reserve on the TR?

    edit: didn't see post above
     
  3. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Seven Time F1 World Champ
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    $11M......there still seems to be plenty of money available for the right car.
     
  4. thepinkumbrella

    thepinkumbrella F1 Veteran

    Feb 26, 2006
    6,062
    United Kingdom
    #79 thepinkumbrella, May 17, 2009
    Last edited: May 17, 2009
    List of results (these are my notes not official results and do not include any commissions)

    Paul

    LOT 201
    SOLD 70,000 Euros
    Bidder in room

    LOT 202
    SOLD 75,000 Euros
    Bidder in room

    LOT 203
    SOLD 700,000 Euros
    Telephone Bidder

    LOT 204
    SOLD 350,000 Euros
    Bidder in Room

    Lot 205
    SOLD 115,000 Euros
    Bidder in room

    LOT 206
    Engine overhauled at EUR 20,000 before auction
    SOLD 55,000 Euros
    Bidder in room

    LOT 207
    SOLD 115,000 Euros
    Bidder in room

    LOT 208
    Registered 21644 H
    NOT SOLD 1.25 Million Euros
    Telephone Bidder

    LOT 209
    SOLD 250,000 Euros
    Bidder in Room

    LOT 210
    WITHDRAWN

    LOT 211
    SOLD 95,000
    Telephone Bidder

    LOT 212
    SOLD 400,000 Euros
    Bidder in room (front row)

    LOT 213
    NOT SOLD 4 Million Euros
    Telephone Bidder

    Lot 214
    NOT SOLD 750,000 Euros
    Telephone Bidder

    LOT 215
    NOT SOLD 1.35 Million Euros
    Telephone Bidder

    LOT 216
    NOT SOLD 575,000 Euros
    Telephone Bidder

    LOT 217
    NOT SOLD 1.6 Million Euros
    Bidder in room

    LOT 218
    SOLD 600,00 Euros
    Bidder in room

    LOT 219
    SOLD 60,000 Euros
    Bidder in room

    LOT 220
    NOT SOLD 7.25 Million Euros

    LOT 221A
    430 Coupe (proceeds to earth quake in Italy victims)
    SOLD 180,000 Euros
    Bidder in room

    LOT 221
    NOT SOLD 2.1 Million Euros

    LOT 222
    SOLD 105,000 Euros
    Telephone Bidder

    LOT 223
    SOLD 650,000 Euros

    LOT 224
    NOT SOLD 225,000 Euros

    LOT 225
    SOLD 235,000 Euros
    Bidder in room

    LOT 226
    SOLD 365,000 Euros
    Bidder in room

    LOT 227
    Dutch registered DM-21-24
    SOLD 190,000 Euros
    Bidder in room


    LOT 228
    WITHDRAWN

    LOT 229
    SOLD 310,000 Euros
    Bidder in room

    LOT 230
    NOT SOLD 1.35 million Euros

    LOT 231
    SOLD 100,000 Euros

    LOT 232
    SOLD 2.1 Million Euros

    LOT 233
    SOLD 725,000 Euros
    Bidder in room

    LOT 234
    SOLD 1.92 million Euros

    LOT 235
    SOLD 320,000 Euros
    Bidder in room

    LOT 236
    SOLD 260,000 Euros

    LOT 237
    SOLD 8.2 million Euros
    Telephone Bidder
     
  5. Imola82

    Imola82 Formula Junior

    Oct 16, 2007
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    Chicago
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    Stu
    World Record
     
  6. mdsaxon

    mdsaxon Karting

    Sep 18, 2006
    237
    S.W. Florida
  7. wbaeumer

    wbaeumer F1 Veteran
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    Mar 4, 2005
    8,973
    The car had a little confusing history. Another point is that the body was changed many years ago. When Moss drove it in Monaco `56 it was shortnose, now its a longnose body.
    Then - there are some other -and better!- 250F`s for sale.

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  8. f308jack

    f308jack F1 Rookie

    Jun 7, 2007
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    Jack Verschuur
    Thanks!

    It finally connected at the first car on the block.
     
  9. mdsaxon

    mdsaxon Karting

    Sep 18, 2006
    237
    S.W. Florida
    ...out of the crowd.
     
  10. trkevin

    trkevin Formula Junior

    Nov 3, 2003
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    Belgium
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    K. Blommaert
    #85 trkevin, May 17, 2009
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Here's a complete but unofficial list in PDF with all prices incl. buyer's premium (10%) and Italian taxes (20% on premium).

    Really nice auction !!!
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  11. MJarrettR

    MJarrettR Formula 3

    Apr 14, 2004
    1,472
    Miami, FL
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    Jarrett Rothmeier
    Does anyone know if all cars are subject to the Italian Tax (20% on premium) or just those cars that are being sold out of Italian ownership?

    -Jarrett
     
  12. rangemaster

    rangemaster Rookie

    May 6, 2009
    2
    Only a few lots (203, 211 & 219) were subject to 20% VAT as all others are just there on a temporary import bond so the tax does not apply in most cases and it's better to see the prices without. Also, missing are several lots (as reported in Paul's post) since I would assume you are not including them because they are either Dino's, Maserati's but what about Lots 219 and 235?


    LOT 219
    SOLD 60,000 Euros
    Bidder in room

    LOT 235
    SOLD 320,000 Euros
    Bidder in room

    Rangemaster
     
  13. Ashman

    Ashman Three Time F1 World Champ
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Sep 5, 2002
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    John
    Very nice job, but why did it take so long (almost 15 minutes) for you to publish these results?


    Just joking of course! Great stuff!
     
  14. elads

    elads Formula Junior

    Dec 29, 2004
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    Some others out thee for sale at this price point??
    Seems like remarkable value... at 0.75 the price of a steel SWB.

    shocking
     
  15. trkevin

    trkevin Formula Junior

    Nov 3, 2003
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    K. Blommaert
    Hi Jarrett,

    The 20% Italian VAT on the premium only has nothing to do with the origin of the car, but with the fact that a commission is received within Italy.

    Here's the information published on the RM Auctions website:

    "BUYER’S PREMIUM
    The buyer’s premium in effect at Legenda e Passione is 10%. Since the sale is conducted in Italy, IVA (Italian VAT) on the buyer’s premium at the Italian rate of 20% will be collected by RM and remitted to the Italian tax department. For example, a tax paid automobile purchased for a hammer (block) price of €100.000 will be invoiced at €112.000 (€100.000 purchase price + €10.000 buyer’s premium + €2.000 VAT on the buyer’s premium)."


    Here's the link:
    http://www.rmauctions.com/EventInfo.cfm?SaleCode=FF09

    Best regards

    Kevin
     
  16. trkevin

    trkevin Formula Junior

    Nov 3, 2003
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    To me, a 1989 328 GTS and a 1990 Ferrari 641/2 F1 aren't classic Ferrari's so not listed.
     
  17. Teenferrarifan

    Teenferrarifan F1 Rookie

    Feb 21, 2003
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    Erik
    Wow! 0714 brought a good number $12+ million US is pretty good, at least IMO.
    Erik
     
  18. iwanna860monza

    iwanna860monza Karting

    Sep 19, 2004
    243
    IMO, strong price for 250 TR in todays market, BUT all of these values seem to be settling where they were 5 years ago, and some sellers will be shocked to find there California's back at 2 - 4 mil. Euros, SWB's at the same, and TDF's at 1 - 2 mil.
    Just what is a 330p4/350 CanAm/ ? worth tho - 7.25 mil. Euro I would have thought was all the money in the current climate. Especially considering it could be 10 - 15 years before we get back to the BIG prices again.
     
  19. wbaeumer

    wbaeumer F1 Veteran
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    Mar 4, 2005
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    No - not to that RM-price from today!

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  20. lawrencejones

    lawrencejones Karting

    Nov 11, 2008
    57
  21. The Red Baron

    The Red Baron Formula 3

    Jan 3, 2005
    1,130
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    Warren
    Anyone know what Lot 219, the 212 Inter Europa went for. Total price, ie, all the money that came out of the guys wallet.
     
  22. Michele

    Michele Formula Junior

    Aug 27, 2006
    510
    The Hague, Holland
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    Michiel Mulder
    I was there this afternoon and it looked like someone did his homework: the bider stepped out and could not be tempted to pay € 7.5 mil. And he is right: although advertised as a 330P4, the car is officially a 350 Can Am, since the factory did the conversion back then. When you buy a car like this and restore it back to 330P4 configuration, you will not receive a Certificate from Ferrari Classiche. Something to think about when you like Pebble Beach or Villa d 'Este. So: the prices of a P4 will be in the range as Cavallino listst them: 10-14 mil $, but this car is not a P4 (according to the factory sheets)
     
  23. Jeff Kennedy

    Jeff Kennedy F1 Veteran
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    Oct 16, 2007
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    Were you able to identify the bidders for the 350 in the room? Was Walter Medlin there for RM to try getting the reserve reset?

    Any word on post auction sales?

    Jeff
     
  24. Arvin Grajau

    Arvin Grajau Seven Time F1 World Champ

    Jun 7, 2006
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    it raced at the 1956 Australian AGP.
     
  25. readplays

    readplays F1 Rookie

    Aug 22, 2008
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    Napolis has been strangely silent for awhile ;)

    THANKS everyone for the photos and updates throughout the weekend- the next best thing to being there.
     

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