Vintage section Fake/Replica/Recreation/Rebody discussion

Well, no, but it is a disgrace that Ferrari knowingly presents replica's as genuine cars.

 

I agree. The body looks horrible, but so does the Drogo-body on 330GT s/n 7979GT. Still I have no problem in awknowledging it as a genuine Ferrari.

 

This, is a very elegant post. Chapeau...

It reminds me of someone, that on the first day we met as a group said:

"Attack the idea, not the man, and if you do, you might not like the result".

That has always lingered in my head as very good advice.

Regards, Alberto

 

Fantastic perspective well said.

 

Agree horrible .

 

True, the "world would go unchanged" if all the "250 GTE's suddenly cease to exist", but I would be really bummed! And, although, heated at times, I think this whole thread/discussion is a very relevant and interesting.

PS. Even more bummed if all the 330 America's "cease to exist"!

 

It was common practice for the Factory to destroy a lot of cars, mostly precious ones.
So where was the Sierra Club at the moment?

Regards, Alberto

 

I did, early on. I got a reasoned response from the owner of the site, and a heated disagreement with my position from the sponsor.

I don't think the sponsors threads for any NON-VINTAGE vehicle belong here. Even if it lands in HIS subforum, it posts to the top of the main age anytime he puts a new thread in. As I recall, he had started a thread about a Corvette he was working on, and it kept popping to the top of the forum. So when I hit the main Ferrari Page, under vintage was, "1963 Corvette restoration" or some such nonsense.

This is a FERRARI site. The vintage forum is a FERRARI vintage forum. Not a replica forum, not a recreation forum, and certainly not a corvette forum. Non of those topics belong here. I don't happen to subscribe to Rob's theory that a sponsor should be allowed to post anything he wants within the sub forum that he sponsors. IF you want to sponsor a sub forum, instead, be aware of its content prior to sponsoring it, and be prepared to stay within the guidelines of that sub forum after you sponsor it.

If I do Corvette repairs as a part of my business, then post that in the American Muscle sub forum (if there is one) and if not, then leave it the hell off this site.

Just my $.02, feel free to lambaste me. But, I agree with Marcel and Julio, which puts me in good company indeed.

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So you don't like the fact that a restoration on a different car other than a Ferrari shows up as the title on the main page under vintage? I think that is a bit unreasonable.
As I recall, we did disagree, but it was not heated. Answer me this, should Lamborghini of Houston should not post anything other than Lamborghini's for sale in the section they sponsor? We do deal with Ferraris alot both restoring, selling and locating. But we also deal with many other classics that from previous posts, others appreciate and like seeing.

Please don't misconstrue this as a heated response, we are peaceful professionals.

 

Damn, you guys can be brutal towards each other!

 

What does Lamborghini of Houston have to do with anything? What a weird thing to bring up as a model. Anyway it's sort of an issue about sensitivity to this particular section which is fairly different then the rest of fchat. Of course as you can also see it is a little club which looks the other way at those making fake Ferraris if they have other accepted attributes like an accepted deep Ferrari knowledge or the ability to find rare parts and cars.

 

Because they sponsor the Lamborghini section but post other types of vehicles for sale also within the Lamborghini section. I don't have a problem with it at all and feel they are within their rights to do so. I made mention of it because a previous poster commented how we shouldn't be posting any other vehiclesin than Ferraris in our subforum.

 

Got popcorn and a bud?

Marcel Massini

 

I have no problem with that, but wonder why is it so that these "most knowledgeable of all" guys doing the new bodies cannot make one decent replica? Some are better than others, but looking at maybe 100 Ferrari fakes I have proper pictures of, I must say almost all of them are just crap. The original cars died for nothing.

What you may have seen in world of RR cannot be reflected to world of Ferrari. With Ferrari it is a straight line; find a donor car, find a fool to pay for "a 100% authentic replica", scrap the car, build a body, take the money and cry all the way to the bank.

And what comes to the terminology, I prefer calling them fakes (as opposed to real ones). All the talk about replicas and re-creations are just attempts to get around the word "fake" (=not real).

Best wishes, Kare

 

So why is it there is a separate section called "FerrariChat.com Owner's Forum" because you said the members wanted it yet the same members want a replica section but they can't have it? It's not like this issue is going to go away, if anything it's just going to get worse.

 

What about the 'restorations' that are built up from little more than a chassis plate, and a few tubes?

These cars go on to be titled as originals. Yet less than a few percent of the original is in the 'restored' car.

And classiche will of course happily do the work. Does that make them more original?

The lines are grey. Where do you draw them OP?

 

You probably mean "built from the original tach needle".

Disagree. The majority of the work is outsourced. Bodywork, engines, paint work. To all the small shops in and around Maranello.

Marcel Massini

 

Bit like race cars ie most Formula 5000 cars have been re-skinned .

 

"majority"? Some times you're too kind. I would have said "vast majority"...

 

There are cars that have raced in the Ferrari Historic Challange that were total replica's.
Replica chassis, Replica bodies.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=141201593&postcount=1801

 

We respectfully disagreed.

First off, yes, I believe Lamborghini of Houston should only post Lamborghini content within that sub forum. If they were sponsoring the TEXAS forum, then I would think almost any content would be appropriate.

You have a very defensive edge to your tone at times (as I'm sure I do) even in some of the posts you've made here, of course tone is HARD to read over the internet.

I appreciate that you work on many different brands, and that Ferraris are among them. I'm sure you're a great guy, very personable, otherwise you would never have survived in a business that caters to fussy car owners and restorers.

But, none of that changes my opinion that this is a Ferrari sub forum, not a Corvette sub forum.

I strongly believe that any non-ferrari car you are selling, or working on and wish to create a thread about, should be placed in the appropriate sub forum, not here in Vintage Ferrari.

It's just my opinion, nothing more or less, but apparently I'm not alone in that opinion.

Dave

 

Let's see if you guys can figure this one out.

There's a pure replica with an original body and there's a real car that, that body came from wearing a replica body.

I'll give you a hint.

The pure replica has appeared at the FOS.

The real car has not.

 

Kare

I realize that you think I'm simply "A Punk from NY" and that you're very expert at spotting fakes so I'm sure you'll easily be able answer this one and explain how you quickly saw which body, the original one or the replica, one was real.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=141202995&postcount=173