Who designed the 6.0?

[gday]

Originally Posted by Miura Jota

is it true that the original Gandini design is the one found in Cizeta Moroder? then bought and copied by Chrysler for their Diablo?
also when (year) was the Cizeta first introduced??

The Cizeta V16T was first shown in 1988 and available in 1991. As far as what came first, it would have been the original Diablo design as offered to Lamborghini by Gandini. In fact, the Gandini/Diablo work dates back to 1986. It was after Chrysler altered the Gandini/Diablo design that the original Gandini "Diablo theme" was offered to Cizeta - since the needs of the V16T were different (much wider for the transverse engine mount), it too is a departure from the very 1st design but did retain "critical" features like the grills in front of the rear wheels.

-mick

[ashsimmonds]

Originally Posted by Pantera

the 300ZX was in production from 90-96 ...

i don't know my jap car history too well, but i'm sure i've seen mid-80's 300ZX's scooting around here before, chunkier design, i know they became very sleek around '89/90 though and don't know whether they share much more than a name.

[Sonora]

Marcello Gandini designed the Diablo (his original design was the Cizeta Moroder), Chrysler didn't like it, cleaned it up a bit; and Luc Donckerwolke put the Diablo under the knife to create the 6.0

Voila !

[LightGuy]

American Bill Dayton designed the Diablo. Gandini provided the name and took the credit.

[gday]

Bill Dayton designed the Diablo Interior.

-mick

[Cavallini]

Originally Posted by gday

Bill Dayton designed the Diablo Interior.

-mick

Bravo Bill Dayton, that's one of the most beautiful interiors ever.

It feels good to salute an American in the supercar ranks, especially considering his improvement, IMO, over the original Gandini design, especially inside. And it's amazing that Chrysler had the sense to leave thos improvements in place.


Many thanks,


Cavallini

[Miura Jota]

it's very interesting that Diablo's design dates back since 1986 and still looks fresh and otherworldly
whereas Testarossa from the same period looks today dated and obsolete.

P.S. the name Diablo couldn't be provided by Gandini as the i staken form another killer bull.

[Chiaro_Slag]

Originally Posted by Miura Jota

it's very interesting that Diablo's design dates back since 1986 and still looks fresh and otherworldly
whereas Testarossa from the same period looks today dated and obsolete.

P.S. the name Diablo couldn't be provided by Gandini as the i staken form another killer bull.

TR's rock!

[seymour]

Originally Posted by Pantera

Ferruccio left sometime in the early 80's but i have no idea why.

Financial difficulties with his other business ventures forced him to move on. he sold Lambo for very little if i remember correctly (few $100 K)

I wonder if lamborghini ever really made much money for anyone. I know Audi is now turning a tiny profit on it now, something like 5mm EUR which is probably more than the company has ever seen? that is only a few thousand ($3-4k?) net for every new vehicle they sell. not a big money maker by any means

[cgperry]

There's a great article about Ferruccio, and another BY Feruccio here:

http://*********************/vbforum...ead.php?t=1974

Hopefully the site rules will let the link work.

There's precious little I can find on Bill Dayton, at least on Google. One site did say he did the interior, but my question would be WHICH interior? The Diablo went through four pretty distinct interiors - 91-93, 94-98, 99 and 6.0. I bought my 99 because I thought it was the best combination of body and interior of the Diablos. I like the 6.0 interior better, but don't like the 6.0 exterior changes. Now hearing that they are Donckerwolcke's work makes more sense to me as I'm not stirred by the Murci or Gallardo's exterior either.

There's something inherently wrong with having Italian cars that weren't designed by Italians. That and motors are the only things they ever did exceptionally well! German Lambos leave me cold, and I'd bet that's why most feel the Enzo is far from beautiful (Asian designed).

[cgperry]

Okay, we'll try this again. It's worth your time to re-create the link (take out the spaces):

http:// lamborghini -talk .com /vbforum/showthread.php?t=1974

Rob, is there any reason you can't fix this petty BS? Surely you realize that no one site can be all things. There's room for everyone...

[gday]

Originally Posted by cgperry

There's precious little I can find on Bill Dayton, at least on Google. One site did say he did the interior, but my question would be WHICH interior? The Diablo went through four pretty distinct interiors - 91-93, 94-98, 99 and 6.0.

Dayton went to Chrysler as a (head?) design guy and so it was the interior of the first year model ie 1990/1991.

Originally Posted by cgperry

I bought my 99 because I thought it was the best combination of body and interior of the Diablos.

I agree. I did the same thing for the same reasons.

-mick

[gday]

Originally Posted by cgperry

Now hearing that they are Donckerwolcke's work makes more sense to me as I'm not stirred by the Murci or Gallardo's exterior either.

While the Murci was Donckerwolcke's, the Gallardo was a combination of "Italdesign Giugiaro" and Donckerwolcke's. "Italdesign Giugiaro" are the folks that did the Lamborghini Calà prototype.

-mick

[Cavallini]

Originally Posted by cgperry

There's a great article about Ferruccio, and another BY Feruccio here:

http://*********************/vbforum...ead.php?t=1974

Hopefully the site rules will let the link work.

There's precious little I can find on Bill Dayton, at least on Google. One site did say he did the interior, but my question would be WHICH interior? The Diablo went through four pretty distinct interiors - 91-93, 94-98, 99 and 6.0. I bought my 99 because I thought it was the best combination of body and interior of the Diablos. I like the 6.0 interior better, but don't like the 6.0 exterior changes. Now hearing that they are Donckerwolcke's work makes more sense to me as I'm not stirred by the Murci or Gallardo's exterior either.

There's something inherently wrong with having Italian cars that weren't designed by Italians. That and motors are the only things they ever did exceptionally well! German Lambos leave me cold, and I'd bet that's why most feel the Enzo is far from beautiful (Asian designed).

I would hesitate to call the Enzo Japanese designed. Ken Okuyama had been at Pininfarina for some time, in addition to speaking Italian and Piedmontese and being deeply Italianized. He didn't just hop off a plane from Japan and design the Enzo.
As far as the Enzo itself, it is extreme but those were the desires of Luca Di Montezemolo himself.

It is perhaps safer to say that LDM used a Japanese-made fountain pen to design the Enzo.


Forza,


Cavallini

[hippo]

ken okuyama(sorry if the spelling is wrong) designed the enzo,612,550,360/430 and the testerossa 2002 concept.
the 612 (sketches) was much better proportioned than the actual car.
he also did the quattroporte;so i guess he's on a "roll".
gandini designed not only the countach/diablo/miura range,but also
the superb lm002,espada,urraco,jarama,jalpa,etc.....almost all lambos up to the diablo!
the 6.0 WAS tidied up by donkerwolcke...and the moroder cizetta was in fact
a production of the 1st draft diablo,u can imagine this didnt go well with chrysler!

[FL 355]

Originally Posted by wiz357

This is the reason there are no Gandini signature badges on any 6.0s. I believe his original design was diluted too much that he asked to have his name removed from the 6.0 Diablos.

You are absolutely correct. Gandini design vs Gandini signature. The 6.0 does not have the name badge on the quarter panel.

[Cavallini]

Originally Posted by hippo

ken okuyama(sorry if the spelling is wrong) designed the enzo,612,550,360/430 and the testerossa 2002 concept.
the 612 (sketches) was much better proportioned than the actual car.
he also did the quattroporte;so i guess he's on a "roll".
gandini designed not only the countach/diablo/miura range,but also
the superb lm002,espada,urraco,jarama,jalpa,etc.....almost all lambos up to the diablo!
the 6.0 WAS tidied up by donkerwolcke...and the moroder cizetta was in fact
a production of the 1st draft diablo,u can imagine this didnt go well with chrysler!

Thanks for the facts, Hippo. I didn't know Okuyama di the 550 and 360. Bravo Okuyama.


Forza,


Cavallini

[Miura Jota]

Wasn't the 360 designed by an italian guy called Maurizio Manfredini ?

[ashsimmonds]

Originally Posted by Miura Jota

Wasn't the 360 designed by an italian guy called Maurizio Manfredini ?

i thought it was Tony Hawk... or wait maybe that was the 720...