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Old 07-04-2007, 12:06 PM
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Police raid found Ferrari documents at McLaren designer`s home`
Wednesday 4th July 2007

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Incriminating evidence discovered during a police raid on the Surrey home of Mike Coughlan is reported to have resulted in the McLaren designer's suspension and sparked the most sensational case of F1 espionage in recent memory.


Having already launched legal proceedings against Nigel Stepney, the team's British-born mechanic, after accusing him of sabotaging their own cars, Ferrari applied for a search warrant through the British courts, claiming that 'a large amount of technical information' had been stolen from their Maranello factory.


The raid on Coughlan's home, near to McLaren's Woking base, is reported by The Times to have uncovered 'documents belonging to Ferrari'.


"We have proof that Stepney had been supplying technical information to a McLaren employee and we found evidence of that fact in his [the employee's] home," a Ferrari spokesman declared. "This is a very serious situation. We are talking about a lot of information being given to a prominent McLaren engineer. We are not talking here about rumours or speculation."


In a separate statement, McLaren confirmed that they had suspended 'a senior member of its technical organisation' after learning 'that this individual had personally received a package of technical information from a Ferrari employee at the end of April'.


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Stepneygate could decide World Championships
Wednesday 4th July 2007

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As F1 grapples with the incredible developments of Stepneygate, which culminated in McLaren suspending their chief designer on Tuesday after Ferrari documents were allegedly uncovered at his home, a nightmare scenario looms over the sport: the World Championship being won and lost in the courts.


Having already launched legal proceedings against their mechanic Nigel Stepney, Ferrari's claim of espionage took on a sensational dimension on Tuesday when a police raid, made at their behest, allegedly found 'technical information' stolen from their Maranello base at the home of Mike Coughlan, McLaren's chief designer.


Announcing that they had presented 'a case against Nigel Stepney and an engineer from the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes team with the Modena Tribunal, concerning the theft of technical information', Ferrari pointedly ruled out further legal redress. 'Ferrari reserves the right to consider all implications, be they criminal, civil or of any other nature, according to the applicable laws,' it declared in a statement.


"We have proof that Stepney had been supplying technical information to a McLaren employee and we found evidence of that fact in his [the employee's] home. This is a very serious situation. We are talking about a lot of information being given to a prominent McLaren engineer. We are not talking here about rumours or speculation."


As a mood of crisis threatened to envelop the sport on Tuesday night, the FIA confirmed that, "We have received information on this matter, which we are examining."


The governing body will be powerless during any criminal investigation either in Italy or Britain, but it is already being speculated that Ferrari could launch a separate case that would determine the victors of both the Drivers' and Constructors' World Championships in the courts.


Their case would be advanced if they could prove a correlation between performance and the alleged 'dirty tricks'.


Tellingly, the discovery of a mysterious white powder in the fuel tanks of both Felipe Massa and Kimi Raikkonen's cars just before the Monaco GP, which prompted the internal enquiry that resulted in Stepney's sacking, coincided with a sudden regression by the team's chargers. Having won the previous two races in dominant fashion, Ferrari then failed to challenge for victory in the next three.


Meanwhile, with McLaren admitting that 'a senior member of its technical organisation personally received a package of technical information from a Ferrari employee at the end of April', The Guardian reports that 'Ferrari believe that the improvement in McLaren's performance after the Spanish Grand Prix on May 13 is consistent with the apparent leaks at the end of April.'

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Old 07-04-2007, 12:25 PM
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...EEEEWwwwww...this going to get real messy...now we know those as FACTS instead of rumours...

SO what will Ron Dennis have to say about this...mmmhhhh

NOW that his "right hand" is involved, what is he going to say...that he wasnt wearing it when this things happened?
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Old 07-04-2007, 01:13 PM
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Maybe the documents pertained to the '07 team gear clothing line. If you look closely, it's quite obvious that both Ferrari and McLaren have fallen prey to some fashion designer's cruel joke and are paying the price every race weekend when forced to sport the clothing.
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Old 07-04-2007, 01:14 PM
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Maybe the documents pertained to the '07 team gear clothing line. If you look closely, it's quite obvious that both Ferrari and McLaren have fallen prey to some fashion designer's cruel joke and are paying the price every race weekend when forced to sport the clothing.
Hahhahaaa.
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Old 07-04-2007, 01:18 PM
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Maybe the documents pertained to the '07 team gear clothing line. If you look closely, it's quite obvious that both Ferrari and McLaren have fallen prey to some fashion designer's cruel joke and are paying the price every race weekend when forced to sport the clothing.
I like the Mclaren stuff........Shirt looks good but feels a bit heavy.
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Old 07-04-2007, 01:25 PM
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Maybe the documents pertained to the '07 team gear clothing line. If you look closely, it's quite obvious that both Ferrari and McLaren have fallen prey to some fashion designer's cruel joke and are paying the price every race weekend when forced to sport the clothing.
...thats a very clever twist...jajajajjajjaa
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Old 07-04-2007, 05:13 PM
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Maybe it's complete BS, but it does appear Mac are trying to do the right thing:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60479
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Old 07-04-2007, 05:19 PM
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Maybe it's complete BS, but it does appear Mac are trying to do the right thing:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60479
smokescreen .... remember RD is Lucifer and couldn't lie straight in bed

he might as well tell JT and the team the cheques in the mail

like someone said here, why risk everything over something that is useless data ?

these guys are at the top of the tree and know exactly what will hurt the most
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Maybe it's complete BS, but it does appear Mac are trying to do the right thing:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60479
Doing the right thing or is it covering their collective asses and offering up the one who was doing the dirty work for them.. Yes I am a Ferrari fan and if Ferrari was caught doing this then I would not even watch the rest of the season. I would feel dooped and embarrased as a fan.
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Old 07-04-2007, 05:26 PM
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Doing the right thing or is it covering their collective asses and offering up the one who was doing the dirty work for them...
No doubt a little of all of the above - But what else can they do at this point?
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smokescreen .... remember RD is Lucifer and couldn't lie straight in bed
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And FA is a Fallen Angel :-)
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No doubt a little of all of the above - But what else can they do at this point?
Not much but retreat and save what they can.
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2 things come to mind atm.

is the statement at headof this proven now (the one about docs def being found) or are they still speculation ?
if proven is it on any genuine news website - i looked on bbc and reuters and a few other and couldnt see anything saying it was fact.

secondly - if its true then its a disgrace, but before ppl turn on RD and convict him etc, pls remember that the statements are implying that the materiel was in someones home, not in McLaren HQ.
If it had been used my McLaren then surely itd be in the offices etc.

bbc latest
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/6264904.stm

guardian latest
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/6264904.stm


Lastly id like to ask what you'd all do if you worked for an F1 team and an old m8 who worked for the "opposition" said "im totally pi$$ed off with my current team, heres aload of data you might be able to use to help you along "
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