ZO6 vs. F430 dyno figures.

[racerdj]

Originally Posted by ernie

Even though I own a Ferrari I understand it. The reason is because what Chevy did with the Vette is amazing. The performance per dollar is just unbeatable. Back in the day, you paid the big dollars to get an exotic because you also got the performace. But now you don't have to dish out a large amount of cash to get the performance. The old argument used to be that not only did the car look good, it could also beat just about any car on the road. Now the only thing they have is the looks. Even then, if you were to compair the looks of the new Vette to a new Ferrari, the new Vette isn't bad looking. Not exotic, but not bad looking. Plus the car is just soooooo much cheaper to own than a Ferrari, with greater performance. If I was looking to buy a new car on performance figures only, hate to say it but I don't think I would be dishing out the cash for a new Ferrari.

However in defence of Ferrari, they took a HUGE step in the right direction with the 430. In my opinion the two biggest things are, getting rid of the STUPID timing belt/s, and the jump in displacement. Ferrari is also improving the reliability of the cars.

Love it or hate it the new Z06 is an awesome deal.

Two awsome cars...very different personalities....I know first hand.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by ernie

Love it or hate it the new Z06 is an awesome deal.

Amen, for the $$ it is hard to beat.

[frayed]

Originally Posted by AeroGT3RedWing

Drive train loss is very low on those cars. Like the NSX, the GT3 has very low drivetrain loss - around 7% or so.

Don't agree with that; other 911s show 15% or so drivetrain loss, or reason to think that the GT3 magically is better.

It's all academic anyway, what matters is rwhp.

[alanhenson]

[QUOTE=allegretto;136059192]

Originally Posted by alanhenson

It's alot better than a Porsche TTQUOTE]

and you say this because you have one or have driven one extensively?

Driven many on the road and track. I loved the feel of the 993TT but the 996TT was a serious dissapointment. It's quiet and numb with little feedback from the steering or brakes. I love the GT2/3. They are works art. The TT made Porsche alot of money though and that was the point so I guess it was a success for them.

[alanhenson]

Originally Posted by BobR

As many have pointed out, this thread is silly. Think of it this way, do you wear a Timex or a Rolex? The Timex keeps good time, has lots of features and cost less than a full tank of gas in a 430. A Rolex (or Patek, Breguet, IWC, Jaeger Lecoultre etc.) costs thousands and doesn't keep time as accurately as a Timex, Casio etc. Why then is Rolex (et al) still in business?

The answer is that for some people a Breguet (to name one) is more desirable than the Timex despite the fact that it is less accurate.

Some buy high end mechanical watches to impress others. Some buy Ferraris for the same reason. Others buy high end watches because the appreciate the ingenious mechanical complexity and artistry that is implicit in the design and construction. Some people buy Ferraris for the same reason.

The Corvette Z06 is a great buy. So is the Timex. To the right person, a $100,000 Pateck is also a great buy. They both have their place but we don't compare them.

Regards,

Why? Because you say we don't compare them? Great reason. I've owned both and I love to compare and contrast them. It's not like Ferrari is so good they are above comparisons.

[allegretto]

[QUOTE=alanhenson;136060766]

Originally Posted by allegretto

Driven many on the road and track. I loved the feel of the 993TT but the 996TT was a serious dissapointment. It's quiet and numb with little feedback from the steering or brakes. I love the GT2/3. They are works art. The TT made Porsche alot of money though and that was the point so I guess it was a success for them.

So you don't know about the 997TT?

The reason I ask is that I drove my neighbor's Z-06 and I have a new TT. I'm trying to get him out to the track where I can see for myself.

[iceburns288]

Drive train loss is, in general, the same. When people quote cars having high or low drivetrain loss, it's really an overrated/underrated engine from the factory. Most, if not all, Porsches are underrated from the factory. Same for the new Z06 and new Viper (both putting out about 550hp instead of 505 or 510).

[Blocktrader]

Originally Posted by iceburns288

Drive train loss is, in general, the same. When people quote cars having high or low drivetrain loss, it's really an overrated/underrated engine from the factory. Most, if not all, Porsches are underrated from the factory. Same for the new Z06 and new Viper (both putting out about 550hp instead of 505 or 510).

Actually, alot of these dynojets are corrected way too high. If you put the engines on an engine dyno, they make right about the rated power. According to Katech, the new Z06 makes it's rated power.

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Originally Posted by Blocktrader

Actually, alot of these dynojets are corrected way too high. If you put the engines on an engine dyno, they make right about the rated power. According to Katech, the new Z06 makes it's rated power.

true!
even of the oem's were to underate they sure wouldnt do it by 40-45hp!?
jeff

[michele.demeo]

Take a look at this. It seems that Ferrari is a little faster than the Vette on this track!

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...owersTrack.pdf

[michele.demeo]

And at this! Do you still have any doubt?

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...911-turbo.html

[robsmodena]

Hi guys this is my first post on Fchat. I know to this point a corvette hasn't had the quality or feel of a ferrari but they have come a long way in the last ten years. I hope to own a Fcar in the next couple of years. It has been a life long dream. Anyways I know speed isn't everything but you can't always go by magazines. In the real world the zo6 is fast and I believe a little faster then the F430 and a Ford GT. In the first link the driver in the second race owns both cars and has said on another forum that the z06 is faster then the lambo.

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...a6c169aa21.htm

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...ce142531cb.htm

[Tarek K.]

There is a very nice article in the Road and Track September edition. It's called the " World Superpowers". It's a test on a professional circuit between three American cars and three European cars.
- Corvette Z06
- Viper SRT10
- Ford GT
vs.
- F430 F1
- Gallardo
- 911 Turbo
Nice article, the Europeans win. The F430 has the fastest lap time, the fastest 0-60mph which was 3.8sec, equal to the Ford GT whereas the Z06 was 4.1sec. The F430 had the second fastest 1/4 mile which was 11.9sec@123.3mph vs. 11.7sec@126.1mph for the Ford GT and 12.2sec@118.7mph for the Z06. The Z06 had a slightly higher top speed than the F430, 197 mph vs. 195.9 mph. The Ford GT had the highest top speed, 204.4 mph.

[LW RedTR]

Originally Posted by Tarek Khalil

There is a very nice article in the Road and Track September edition. It's called the " World Superpowers". It's a test on a professional circuit between three American cars and three European cars.
- Corvette Z06
- Viper SRT10
- Ford GT
vs.
- F430 F1
- Gallardo
- 911 Turbo
Nice article, the Europeans win. The F430 has the fastest lap time, the fastest 0-60mph which was 3.8sec, equal to the Ford GT whereas the Z06 was 4.1sec. The F430 had the second fastest 1/4 mile which was 11.9sec@123.3mph vs. 11.7sec@126.1mph for the Ford GT and 12.2sec@118.7mph for the Z06. The Z06 had a slightly higher top speed than the F430, 197 mph vs. 195.9 mph. The Ford GT had the highest top speed, 204.4 mph.

Yes, yes, that's all very nice, and on point and all. But I have a far more important question---- how do you blow up the size of your Avatar, and who is that gorgeous person?

[Tarek K.]

Originally Posted by LW RedTR

Yes, yes, that's all very nice, and on point and all. But I have a far more important question---- how do you blow up the size of your Avatar, and who is that gorgeous person?

:-) I will try to dig up the original photo. It should be on one of my other computers. This woman is gaining a lot of fans on this forum. Ferrari owners must really have something in common.

[LW RedTR]

Originally Posted by Tarek Khalil

Here you are Larry, here is my SUPERGIRL, enjoy, but the name has to remain a secret :-)
When you drive supercars, you always need a supergirl to assist :-))

But of course, how silly of me to think otherwise : - ) Thanks, Tarek

[Jompen]

WOOW, I wanna be superman !

Also to end vette vs Ferrari discussion, who is competing in F1 and have won it lots of times =)

[Tarek K.]

Originally Posted by Jompen

WOOW, I wanna be superman !

Also to end vette vs Ferrari discussion, who is competing in F1 and have won it lots of times =)

Exactly, there are no Vettes in the international racing scene

[alanhenson]

Originally Posted by Tarek Khalil

Exactly, there are no Vettes in the international racing scene

I guess LeMans isn't international anyore huh.

[alanhenson]

Originally Posted by robsmodena

Hi guys this is my first post on Fchat. I know to this point a corvette hasn't had the quality or feel of a ferrari but they have come a long way in the last ten years. I hope to own a Fcar in the next couple of years. It has been a life long dream. Anyways I know speed isn't everything but you can't always go by magazines. In the real world the zo6 is fast and I believe a little faster then the F430 and a Ford GT. In the first link the driver in the second race owns both cars and has said on another forum that the z06 is faster then the lambo.

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...a6c169aa21.htm

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...ce142531cb.htm

I've raced a Gallardo, a Ford GT and a Murci in my Z06 and that one in the first vid did pretty well in my opinion. I easily walked a way from a Gallardo in mine. Lamos all wheel drive system gobbles up power before it hits the ground. Murcis typically dyno at about 430hp at the ground. That's about 24% power loss. That's huge. So they don't make nearly as much power at the ground as most people think.