news on 599 gto?? - Page 8

Evolution · #**141** 11-03-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by fredhart

I think he's saying, that while not all Ferrari Supercars were GTOs, all GTOs were Ferrari Supercars.

Of course one could say all Ferrari's are indeed supercars, but I digress.

+1.. hey fredhart, thanks for getting my point across!

Edited: Oppss, running down the post , its +2 now

Evolution · #**142** 11-03-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse

An F40, F50 and Enzo are GTOs? None carried it...and btw which was homologated and raced in a series, as has been suggested would be needed?

The name is special--Ferrari gets to choose, and has very carefully done so to date. Why would they change it now--if they believe its worthy, I'd guess it'll be worthy.

i get your point mate...anyway its just a small little wish on my side.its not gona matter to Ferrari or anybody, jus a little thought in my brain..

end of the day, it doesnt really make a big diff to me if they name it GTO anot(hopefully it doesnt still of cos) Ultimately its still a Ferrari...

technom3 · #**143** 11-03-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by aaron1199

Why? As Carlo has previously mentioned, the 250 GTO was based on the 250 GT SWB and the 288 GTO was based on the 308 GTB. I can't understand why some people here think it would be wrong for Ferrari to use the GTO name simply because it's based on the 599 and not a "supercar". The 599 GTO (or whatever it's going to be called) is going to be the fastest, most powerful production Ferrari ever and I'm confident that Ferrari will only use the GTO name if they feel that the car is truly worthy of it.

There is a vast difference between the 250 SWB and the GTO and an even greater difference between the 308 and 288 GTO.

The GTO got a transaxle verses the SWBs standard trans. It had 5-speeds... more power, Completely different body, Aluminum construction (SWB road cars are steel, comp cars are aluminum)

The 288 GTO had a different wheelbase. Just about every body panel was different. even the wing mirriors were different. The engine was mounted longitudinally vs transversely... turbos... vs natural aspiration... different wheel base... different materials for construction

**tazandjan** · #**144** 11-03-2009, 07:07 PM

Justin- The 250 GTO did not have a transaxle or IRS. The chassis is very similar to the SWB. There were cheater coil springs added, but overall very similar with a live rear axle. The 5 speed was new for GTs, and the car used a 250 TR engine. The first GT (?) with a transaxle and IRS was the 250 LM, followed by the 275 GTB/S.

Taz
Terry Phillips

1445111 · #**145** 11-05-2009, 08:49 AM

I just got off the phone with my dealer. He had a meeting with F people all day yesterday and took the opportunity to bring up the subject of the 599 "GTO" with them. The only news beside what I have already posted here is that the first cars will be built in July -10.

//Hape

**TrojanHorse** · #**146** 11-05-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 1445111

I just got off the phone with my dealer. He had a meeting with F people all day yesterday and took the opportunity to bring up the subject of the 599 "GTO" with them. The only news beside what I have already posted here is that the first cars will be built in July -10.

//Hape

Perfect

Delivery should begin in earnest by fall 10...I'm thinking about a trip to the factory so late summer/early fall would be great!

big.bryant · #**147** 11-05-2009, 10:05 PM

Any idea as to when its going to be show officially?

George330 · #**148** 11-06-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by big.bryant

Any idea as to when its going to be show officially?

It has not been decided yet. Most likely Geneva in March, but it sounds like clients with orders will be invited to the factory for a private viewing before then

big.bryant · #**149** 11-06-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by George330

It has not been decided yet. Most likely Geneva in March, but it sounds like clients with orders will be invited to the factory for a private viewing before then

Yeah that makes sense. Thanks.

--Bryant

George330 · #**150** 11-06-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse

An F40, F50 and Enzo are GTOs? None carried it...and btw which was homologated and raced in a series, as has been suggested would be needed?

The name is special--Ferrari gets to choose, and has very carefully done so to date. Why would they change it now--if they believe its worthy, I'd guess it'll be worthy.

you are right, but...
The only reason the homologation is needed is because the name GTO -Gran Turismo Omologato- implies homologation, not because homologation would make the car better. After all the 288 was not a successful race car like the 250.
Having said that, in my view F will find it impossible to sell the 600 cars without the GTO name at 360k+ EUR inc taxes. The price is too high for a "Scuderia" version of the 599.

I am worried about one thing though: Ferrari did not use the usual "selection" process for the allocation and took deposits from long standing Ferrari clients and enthusiasts rather than the usual "celebrities"... This in my mind means the car will rank below their usual top end models (288, F40, F50, Enzo)... Also there is an Enzo replacement coming in 2012

Fingers crossed...

**speed racer** · #**151** 11-07-2009, 12:40 PM

I got my deposit in today on the GTO. Third on the list. Its going to be a long year. Even with my deposit Ferrari will make the ultimate decision as to which clients they deem worthy, not their dealers. Nothing is guaranteed until the fat lady sings.

Scuderia980 · #**152** 11-07-2009, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by speed racer

I got my deposit in today on the GTO. Third on the list. Its going to be a long year. Even with my deposit Ferrari will make the ultimate decision as to which clients they deem worthy, not their dealers. Nothing is guaranteed until the fat lady sings.

best of luck..hope you get her! :-)

1445111 · #**153** 11-08-2009, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by George330

It has not been decided yet. Most likely Geneva in March, but it sounds like clients with orders will be invited to the factory for a private viewing before then

Sounds correct, this is the info my dealer sent me...

- November -09, Allocation of cars (my dealer got 3 cars).
- January -10, One to One presentations (customer + dealer) in Maranello.
- March -10, Official presentation at Geneva.

//Hape

technom3 · #**154** 11-08-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by George330

you are right, but...
The only reason the homologation is needed is because the name GTO -Gran Turismo Omologato- implies homologation, not because homologation would make the car better. After all the 288 was not a successful race car like the 250.
Having said that, in my view F will find it impossible to sell the 600 cars without the GTO name at 360k+ EUR inc taxes. The price is too high for a "Scuderia" version of the 599.

I am worried about one thing though: Ferrari did not use the usual "selection" process for the allocation and took deposits from long standing Ferrari clients and enthusiasts rather than the usual "celebrities"... This in my mind means the car will rank below their usual top end models (288, F40, F50, Enzo)... Also there is an Enzo replacement coming in 2012

Fingers crossed...

Agreed 100%... i just got to step in for the 288... it would have been a very good race car (potentially) it just never got its shot due to rule changes

George330 · #**155** 11-09-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by technom3

Agreed 100%... i just got to step in for the 288... it would have been a very good race car (potentially) it just never got its shot due to rule changes

Very true... I apologize for my bad English, I never meant to say the 288 was a poor racecar, it just never got the chance to race. Actually I was lucky enough to own a Porsche 959 for a year (1998) and 8,000km and I must say that while the 959 feels relatively ordinary today, the 288 is still very very special to drive. Only a Ferrari can have this feeling 25 years on! I wish I'd bought one while they were still reasonable money...

Sareve · #**156** 11-09-2009, 08:07 PM

Does anyone know if the 599GTO will be produced in RHD as well? Ferrari has a habit of shafting their customers who live in strictly RHD countries

**tazandjan** · #**157** 11-10-2009, 12:17 AM

Am I remembering incorrectly, but was not the 288 GTO originally intended to be a Group B Rally car before the rules were changed? Sort of a follow-on to the successful Lancia rally cars of the 70s and early 80s. Rules changes wiped out any possibility of competing.

Taz
Terry Phillips

willcrook · #**158** 11-10-2009, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sareve

Does anyone know if the 599GTO will be produced in RHD as well? Ferrari has a habit of shafting their customers who live in strictly RHD countries

I'm going to have a word with my dealer today, i'm interested in the 599GTO and have no problems with putting a deposit and LOI down.

technom3 · #**159** 11-10-2009, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tazandjan

Am I remembering incorrectly, but was not the 288 GTO originally intended to be a Group B Rally car before the rules were changed? Sort of a follow-on to the successful Lancia rally cars of the 70s and early 80s. Rules changes wiped out any possibility of competing.

Taz
Terry Phillips

that is correct!

**Trax** · #**160** 11-10-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Sareve

Does anyone know if the 599GTO will be produced in RHD as well? Ferrari has a habit of shafting their customers who live in strictly RHD countries

yes, I've got one ordered