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06-11-2006, 04:04 AM
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No.....No.....No, I was in no way knocking P-cars. We have a 2005 Twin Turbo cab that shares duty as a daily driver(love that 2nd gear).
Awhile back when the topic of discussion was location, parking lot "X" was chosen(among other things)because of its hidden charms. Not so hidden anymore. I enjoy meeting other F-car owners because....well....we share something in common. I would like to be a part of any F-car gathering should one come up in the future. Yesterday's crowd was simply not my thing. Again, I wish you great success. Chris. 
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06-11-2006, 11:49 AM
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I think the solution to the "loss of Ferrari mystique" in the crowd is simply to have more Ferrari's than anything else show up
 p/s Thanks Alvin, the car was a garage queen when I bought it ... Nizam to the rescue!
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#44
06-11-2006, 01:13 PM
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I had a great time yesterday chatting with everybody. For only our 2nd week doing this, we had a pretty large turnout of cars (all makes). The 330GTS was a surprise to see, and it absolutely made my entire day.
Deane - what a simply GORGEOUS car you have! I think it's just the "nature of the beast" that a gathering like this won't be for everybody. It's a shame, though, that the actions of one guy from the Pcar crowd put you off that much. You had your son with you, though, and I understand. In defense to the Pcar crowd, though, there *was* a couple redline revs coming from the Ferrari side of the isle later in the day. Take care, all, and see you next Saturday! Aaron
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#45
06-11-2006, 06:23 PM
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It was a pretty good turnout last weekend and I think we are at a point where we need to discuss the future of this regular meet.
IMO this meet should be for Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche (Turbo, GT2, GT3, CGT), and vintage cars. However, many people claim that it is for "enthusiasts" and everyone should be allowed. If that's the case, a lot of people with "ricers", corvettes, vipers, BMW's & Mercedes are enthusiasts as well and nothing is going to stop them from attending. Consequently, many exotic car owners will not be so keen on attending. Some have already hinted at that. There sure as hell aren't going to be any SUPERCARS (Enzo, F50, CGT etc.) if the meet is teeming with vettes, vipers, ricers etc. Well, if someone knows any supercar owners who don't care either way, then tell them to come on down. I would be quite surprised though. If we keep the meets (as I have been dogmatically stating) EXOTICS ONLY, we can be sure to have a GREAT collection of cars and people every time we meet. However, those who are not exotic car owners can still come and interact with others...it's just that the meet will consist of EXOTICS. That way, we don't weed out the enthusiasts but still have a great group of people and cars. I thought of this especially after Aaron's thread about "safety" etc. during the meets. We don't have to worry about those things (assuming the exotic car owners are not obnoxious) if it is EXOTICS ONLY. IMO, it's the best compromise. Let the discussion begin ! BTW, Fred, the guy with the Cayman S, is a very cool guy and there's no need to knock on him. He was just showing his buddy the Tubi Exhaust on his car.. nothing wrong with that. The Ferrari crowd (I can think of numerous occasions) has revved their cars which could be perceived to be obnoxious by others. In other words, calm the fock down. Last edited by Baasha; 06-11-2006 at 06:31 PM.
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#46
06-11-2006, 06:36 PM
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Baasha,
I totally concur with you. I couldn't have stated it any better than that. As much as I enjoy seeing Vipers, Vettes, etc, an "Exotics Only" has a greater allure. This is primarily due to the exclusivity of the Exotics vs the plethora of commonplace "nice" cars. My .02 worth....
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#47
06-11-2006, 07:22 PM
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Just need to give the right image of being an exotic/rare car "show". All other cars can park in other lots, which is how it should be.
CC in Socal locks out the main show area to the exotics. By now, however, nothing but exotics will care to park in the show area. However, few weeks back the Saleen crew (based in Irvine) showed up with their range of cars, including the S7! Beautiful sight to see. Bring in more exotics to keep the image! Hopefully exotic owners aren't turned away.
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#48
06-11-2006, 07:30 PM
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In my view, the parking spot is large enough for everyone as long as folks behave and are respectful. If some supercar owners find the crowd too mundane to their taste, they can happily stay hidden in their garages. Apologies, my Ferraris are 6000 miles away, I drive an ordinary 996 around here, and appreciate just as much seeing that gorgeous 430 as the array of Porsches or Lotus, or a pristine old Vette.
My suggestion would be that this matter is left to the initiator (Nizam ?). Last edited by ze_shark; 06-11-2006 at 07:49 PM.
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06-11-2006, 07:48 PM
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There is security that places cones down to mark off the show area in the parking lot
 The plaza is very much involved with Crystal Cove. Hopefully Santana row will see this as a great source for morning sales and join in on the fun
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06-11-2006, 07:55 PM
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06-11-2006, 10:02 PM
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Now...if you were referring to potential shoppers from the "spectators" that will eventually come, I stand corrected. Best regards. Aaron
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06-11-2006, 10:24 PM
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alvin, i'll help you drive the GT3, afterall, i have been names as the GT3 boy by SF rennlister. thought about acquiring my 4th GT3 yesterday ;-)
freds in the gray cayman is indeed a cool car enthusiasts who tastefully mods and tracks everything he's owned. i think he'll pick up a CS when he's bored with inbound 997GT3 (do call me when you are dumping the car, fred). i'll try to make it next time, if alvin let me take his F355.
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#54
06-11-2006, 11:52 PM
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Various Porsche 911s are okay, but the Corvette Z06 isn't? A Mondial is okay, but a Mercedes 300SL Gullwing isn't? What about a GTV6? Any attempt to define eligibility in subjective terms such as "exotic" is going to get ugly. I suppose if the goal is to coax Enzo owners to show up, it would be easier to ask them directly what cars they are and aren't willing to be seen with. You can probably get 75% of what you want without offending anybody by limiting entry to Italian cars only.
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#55
06-12-2006, 01:30 AM
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I would obviously prefer to see a bunch of exotic cars, particularly vintage and supercars. Knowing that a McLaren or F50 is going to roll into the parking lot would motivate me to get up early on saturday and bring an exotic as well.
I think the goal is not to exclude people and their cars but to try and persuade more exotic car owners to bring their nice cars. As long as the number of exclusive and exotic cars grows, then the common cars will not command as much attention. If there was an Enzo, McLaren and a F50 there on Saturday, nobody would be complaining about the Porsches and other cars. I will tell you what needs to be done (but I wont do it, sorry). (1) Santana Row needs to support the event and provide security. (2) It needs to be organized by volunteers to setup each week a "show" area for the display cars to enter. (3) Then we can persuade more exotic owners to come out and bring their cars to a secure and well organized event. This will fully maximize the potential of this weekly event. But I must caution that N. Cal owners are much different from LA so I do not think this will take off like CC. First, most owners here seem to shy away from the attention. They get enough attention at the pumps and valeting at the restaurant, why go out of your way at 8am on Saturday for more? Second, in LA, as we all know the area is full of traffic and it is a pity for exotic car owners -- so getting up early on Saturday to drive down PCH in your exotic car on the way to CC is the perfect excuse and an absolute joy. If I lived in So. Cal, CC or no CC, you would find me cruising up and down that PCH Sat/Sun morning. The location is perfect for exotic cars.
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06-12-2006, 02:16 AM
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I believe that it's important to recognize that we're not trying to exclude anybody. It's my belief that most of us would wholeheartedly welcome Ferrrai/Lamborghini enthusiasts to join our gathering. Before I acquired my 360, I would've loved to come to the meet, view all the awesome cars and mingle with the owners. Now that I finally have a 360, I think that it would be great to share it with owners and non-owner enthusiasts alike.
The issue here is how much we want to encourage other car makes to join our gathering. If we're going into the Lotus/BMW/Porsche community chat rooms to promote this thing, we're naturally going to get rows of those types of cars. Personally, I think that would be kind of fun once in a while since I love Sports Cars in general. (In fact, perhaps we could arrange to do this for the first or last Saturday of the month.) However, my preference is to really promote within our Ferrari community, since that is really the "Target Market". Other types of cars, Lambos, Porsches, etc would naturally flow in and that's perfectly fine, as they add variety. To me, there's a significant distinction between promoting and encouraging vs permitting. The last time that I looked, this was a "Ferrari Chat Room". Isn't the underlying purpose for this club to promote, meet, discuss, share and enjoy Ferraris? If it is, then I believe that we've lost a little focus. Bottom line: It's a Ferrari Event and other Sports Cars are welcome (especially Lamborghinis and Saleens); I just wouldn't promote heavily to others.
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06-12-2006, 02:23 AM
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We are trying to mirror this meet to Crystal Cove. Please check the socal section to give you a better idea...Also check out www.supercarsunday.com As I said before, we ALREADY have Ferrari only meets. I also don't remember cross posting to AMG, BMW or "ricer" forums... Last edited by SROC4; 06-12-2006 at 02:28 AM.
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06-12-2006, 03:12 AM
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Supercar sunday is a great event. Always great cars there, and well mixed with a lot of avg cars, too. Put on and promoted by the coffee shop there (village coffee roaster). Great to see many CGTs, SLRs, Fcars, etc, etc.
Even with the success of CC, supercar sunday (last sunday of the month) is such a great success. There is no security that is set to monitor the event, nor is there any type of show area, but it is "suggested"/assumed. Being rowdy was an issue before over there but it was taken care of (in particular a large pickup truck that had a horn that could blow your hat off). All cars welcome, more the better.
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06-12-2006, 03:52 AM
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Don't get your panties caught up in a bunch! As I believe you quoted earlier, "Peace Out". No need for the "You're missing the point". When I look at the originating thread, it refers to an "Exotic Car Meet". Your statement of "Hence the name Santana Row meet" is misleading as it is labelled that simply to identify the specific meeting place. As you might recall, we discussed a variety of locales for our meet. The Exotic Car Meet just happened to be at Santana Row and was referenced as that for simplicity sake. The event that you mentioned at Crystal Cove is referred to as an "Exotic Car Show". If you google the site, you'll see that the event is predominantly exotics. Sure, there are other "nice" cars, but they are sprinkled about. The main focus there is "Exotic Cars". I would think that the CC meet is primarily the way it is because they label it "Exotic". Quite ironically, you refer to Supersunday, which is open to all cars and happens once a month....exactly as I had suggested! You also stated that there already are Ferrari Only meets. I thought that the dearth of Ferrari Meets was what started the "Exotic Meet" in the first place. If there are Ferrari Only meets, please let me know where they are. Lastly, I never said that this was posted to AMG or "Ricer" forums. It was, however, posted on the Lotus and Porsche boards. Other than that, Peace Out brother.
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