Another CS comparison thread (beat this horse to death!!)

You just answered your own question, buy the CS.

There are fellows on the board who can give you accurate parts costs for the brakes, but $40K is more than 2X the highest number I've heard. When the Enzo was released, buyers and dealers freaked-out when Ferrari offered the first rotor change free and owners who took the driving class in Italy received loaner rotors from the factory to be used during the event. The truth as I know it (be careful here) is that I have heard of no one who has replaced CS rotors due to maximum heat cycles, cracking, or wear.

OK, with that on the table even I was a little concerned when I noticed that the Ferrari Challenge Rally vehicle inspection for CCM brakes included a maximum chip area.........gulp.

 

I just bought a CS last week. I'm told that it's $4k per rotor if you need to replace them. I'm also told that they should last 80,000 miles. I think the pads are in the $3k area. Everything else should be the same as the 360. I just sold my 360 and it was very reliable and reasonable to maintain. Good luck.

 

If we generalize this as, "I'm not paying 2-10X the rational value for any component just because its a Ferrari," maybe you should buy the TT and be happy. Whether you need a rare part for a vintage Ferrari, or a seemingly common component for a 4 year-old 360, you can be stunned by the price.

You basically need to rationalize away cost of ownership, or pick another hobby or at least pick another brand!

 

An oxymoron (plural oxymora or, more commonly, oxymorons) (noun) is a figure of speech that combines two normally contradictory terms to make a point. (e.g. "deafening silence", "budget race car", or "low cost Ferrari")

 

15.5K miles on my car still on the orginal pads and disks, including 8 or do days of track use.

Rotors for the 430C are 10K since they "get a price break for being in the challenge series". The list price is 34K, but I think that you'd stuggle to beat 20K unless you're committed to paying at list. Pads are around 3K.

Note that if you buy the pads for a regular 360 from Ferrari the list price for those is 1K (you can buy them for about 250$ otherwise).

How hard a bargain you drive on this is frankly about your relationship with the dealer - obviously if you want to be first on the list for the enzo replacement, messing around on parts prices is not a good thing to do.

 

I disagree, i think the CS's will definitely be a collectors car in the distant future. It is the finest version of the 360 model, and many prefer the 360 styling to the 430. Although the 355 was a big leap in terms of modern styling, I feel it all came together both interior, exterior, and arguably a leap in reliability with the 360.

 

I also agree, but I'm heavily biased. My understanding is that there were only about 1,200 CS's worldwide and about 300 of those made there way to the U.S. Not as collectible as an Enzo, but still a lot harder to find that a 360 or 430.

 

Porsche- boring. Enough said.

 

Interesting read. I guess your location has something to do with the cost but generally it should not vary that much. I'd like to see what the cost was for someone who has done it?

 

FWIW my 30K service on the 996 TT cost slightly more than the annual service of the CS, both main dealer and I had the timing belts changed on the CS whilst very few issues on the TT !!!!!!! (CS was about $2,200)

 

You may want to do some real world research on P car service costs. The prices of P spares, especially things like Carbon brakes are no less silly than the Ferrari equivalents.
The cost of an oil change on a Carrera GT is completely silly simply because the labor required to get access is just nuts.

As for the CS being collectible - of course it is collectible. Porsche TT's on the other hand are simply mass produced, albeit ver nice sports cars.

 

As I conveyed before, the write ups of the 997TT and overall mega quality, have been exerting a major magnetic pull on me. And so, I went to look at a silver one yesterday. I was very disappointed because I at least expected a WOW to cross my mind. But what I saw was nice, OK, adequate, that's all. I actually mistook the 997TT on first glance for a 996TT with an unremarkable spoiler. Why Porsche would design such an understated, flat looking car, I can't understand? In short, I made a decision on the spot I could not own such a car -- for the $$ I want both performance and stunning visuals. Ten minutes later I was looking at a 993TT Ruf at another outlet, and happier to say a small WOW was definitely my response.

After this, I went down to my garage, pulled the cover off my Roso Corsa CS and appologized for even making the trip to Porsche. Regarding issues, aside from the 360 shock pins in the front (see my other post), I've had none.

 

I was going to suggest 430 if you can get one at MSRP. There are more coupes out there now so more possible.

In terms of potential service risk with the CS its essentially the same as a regular 360:

1. Very reliable if you drive it.
2. CELs do come on requireing flashing of ECUs or replacements - check this has already been done.
3. Wheels - if you live in pothole land (like me) you'll eventually need some wheels at 1700 USD each (I'm on my third right front).
4. Suspension - you'll have either the lower ball joints or control arms (or both) need to be replaced on the front suspension sooner or later. This problem is mostly regarded as a "CS problem", however I also had the same thing on my previous 360. I've had it done twice on my CS. I reckon my post warranty plan is to drive it enough to cause the problem in less than 12 months, then the parts are warranties and FNA has to pay for the repair

I've only encountered 4 since I drive the car alot and hard and on crappy new england roads, if you're on better road surfaces you'll likely not have such a problem.

5. Grounding - its lower with more of an chin extension than a regular 360. You can expect to ground it more often. Get the chin protector skid guards.


I also saw the new TT at a dealer in Boston and hardly noticed it as I wandered around (I was trying to order a GT3-RS). Exactly the same as a regular Carerra inside and I *hate* the wheels. To me its an alternative to an M5 or M6.

 

I just replaced all 4 rotors on my CS to the tune of 8k (per corner) = 32k by a factory dealer. They are the same rotors as on the Enzo so parts cost is the about the same. They are not limited by miles but rather heat-cycles. Unless you track the car you will probably never heat cycle the rotors, so they could last many miles.

I ordered a 997 to deliver in October, CF rotors were an 8k option for the entire car. Don't know how well they work yet.

 

or "jack off troll"
"moronic f.k-wad"

the p alternative to the CS is the gt3/rs

 

i have had my cs now for 18 months ( 7000kms) and it is had a couple of annoying problems such as:

1. front noise creaking ( amply discussed in the forum allready)
2. air conditioning not working ( going in to the shop next week)
3 engine management system light on- because of faulty gas cap closing
4. left window rotor broke ( replaced under warranty)
5. gas cap has come apart ( going in to the shop next week)


apart from these stupid problems i have not encountered any other items and so far engine, gear box, brakes have been flawless. Annual service has run be about 1k per year and frankly cheaper than Porsche servicing. i would assume that you will be buying your a cs as a second car as most of the people on this forum and i would not worry about a brake disks needing to be replaced unless you track the car 24/7. my only word of wisdow is to use the car as much as possible because contrary to popular belief- the more the car is sued the beter it will run.

 

I think part of the equation is depreciation. That's a real cost of ownership. The 996 turbos I owned held their value very poorly compared to my earlier 993 turbo. They depreciated very steeply in dollars compared to the CS I've had for 20 months. The reason for this is the quantity of 996 turbos Porsche produced. They were no longer scarce, as my 993 turbo was.

The 996 turbos also were to me boring cars. I thought they were relatively passionless. I was at the top of the list for a 997 turbo at my dealer and I passed on ordering it. I haven't driven one, but I decided I'm done with buying mildly interesting expensive sports cars that are over produced.

The CS is the opposite. It's an absolutely thrilling car to drive. It's raw and edgy and focused, and absolutely gorgeous. The service has been a little more expensive than a Porsche, but not a budget breaker by any means.

 

My CS has been rock solid, 12k miles. Just keeps getting better.

 

Further to my earlier comments, FWIW the computer reading on my car shows 20% rotor wear and <20% clutch wear at 15.5K miles.

 

Hardly. You can't even get a proper manual in a CS!!

$40k for brakes is oscene. Buy the parts at your dealer and take them to a high end race shop to have them intalled.