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First drive of 328-Non Fcar Owner-Input needed-Ride Report / Car Report

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  1. James in Denver

    James in Denver Formula 3

    May 23, 2006
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    Everyone, (warning: long post again).

    Hopefully, I'm not boring the Chat with all my posts, but as many of you have followed, I'm looking for my first FCar.

    Today was the first time I ever actually drove a 328. Heres my thoughts:

    Summary:
    Overall, I'd have to say the the 308GT4 Series 1 I drove prior to this would have "knocked the socks off" of this car. The 308GT4 had much more punch (its was series 1, hotter cams?).

    Believe it or not, I would also say that the 328 is more refined than the 308GT4, it seemed to have a much more modern and less "raw" feel.

    The car I drove was detailed here:
    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=122757

    ---begin ride report---

    We drove approx. 20 miles on the interstate, 10 miles each way. No curvey roads or "spirited" romps.

    The car shifted "rough" into gears, seemed to be a little harsh in 2nd gear specifically, but even for other gears. I had to get used to that.

    The riding position was great. I'm very short (5'7") and small stature (155lbs) , this car is really designed for shorter people (in my opinion).

    The acceleration from 0 - 60 was very good, brisk would be the word, not like "blow your doors off", but certainly very good. I was quite pleased.

    It did like to sit on about 80 or so, brought back memories of a story I think Richard Prior told where he was driving the Ferrari and didnt now how fast he was going then looked down and he was above 100 mph. This car was very much like that in top gear.

    The roll-on power however was lacking. Cruising at 75-80 mph on the interstate, flooring the accelerator while in top gear gave a lack luster response at best. To get true acceleration, I had to downshift to 3rd to feel any pull.

    The Tach seemed to be right on, easy to tell it matched RPMS from "the sound of things".

    The steering input was great on the interstate, the car went where I pointed it. However, it was very heavy in slow conditions such as in a parking lot. I know this is due to the lack of "power anything" but it definately took some effort to turn the car.

    I did notice that the transmission began to "whine" after the car was warmed up. I noticed this also when I drove the 308GT4 I was looking at, wonder if this is just normal for these cars given the age.

    It appeared to brake fine, but I never tested it hard. Neither did I test clutch with a hard shift (i.e. most of my shifts were easy, didnt want to spoke the dealer).

    As mentioned, we didnt have a chance to take the car on some "twisties", that may have given me more feedback on performance.

    This car, however, has some issues.

    ---begin car report---

    When I went to Castle Rock this morning, the car was ready and idling when I got there (amazing, they let it sit there to charge the battery, it didnt overheat but I certainly wouldnt have let the car sit for 30 mins idling).

    Upon further inspection, it appears it may not be original paint, I saw at least 2 areas of misspray(may have been from factory, but I couldnt imagine it was). 1 was small by the front drivers fender (piece of metal behind the bodyseam mid way up the side of the car). The 2nd was on the deck, the left side of the deck showed some black where the red paint had not covered, appeared strange.

    The second major issue was SMOKE coming from the engine bay. After 10 miles, we stopped and I got in the drivers seat, as I begin to pull back on the interstate, I noticed blue smoke coming from the engine bay (just behind the rear window). I noticed the same thing when the car sat after we got back to the dealer. It didnt last long, but it was noticable both times. AND we didnt go that fast, ambient temp was about 75 degrees and the car was never sustained over 5K rpms, couple of spurts up to high rpm, but nothing sustained.

    The interior of the car was cleaner that I originally remember, but small things caught my attention. For instance, the passenger side windshield wiper was held on by a cable tie, noticed several spots of fraying of the rubber door seals, paint was swirled in spots and not well waxed/buffed.

    ---end reports---

    Admittedly, I went to Castle Rock on my motorcycle, and while its a beemer, it still has damn good performance. The car may have been tainted by my expectations.

    I should be looking at and maybe test driving a 308QV this afternoon, I'll update with that if I do.

    Any input?

    James in Denver
     
  2. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Walk away from this one. It sounds like the 328 you drove wasn't in prime form (to be charitable...), and unfortunately with only 260 horsies back there it needs to be.

    Blue smoke is oil burning, could mean a number of things, among them that oil is getting by the piston rings and being burnt along with the usual fuel/air mixture. I'd bet a compression test on this car would come back poor.

    The gearbox on the best 328 will always shift better once it's warmed up. However, once it's warm, every gear -- including 2nd -- should be accessible instantaneously. It is very normal on 308/328's for 2nd gear to be unobtainable for a few minutes after startup. There should be no gearbox 'whine'.

    One thing to consider, as well, is that if you're not accustomed to the gated shifter you won't shift as smoothly as you do in a 'normal' car. So, while it sounds as though this isn't a healthy 328, it takes a bit of driving before you get proficient with the Ferrari gearbox

    I'd say: forget this one and go find a good 328. I just got back from a morning drive, and shifting and driving the car should be an absolute joy.

    EDIT: Birdman may have it right - blue smoke from the exhaust would be more serious.
     
  3. Birdman

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    Judging by where you say the smoke is coming from, sounds like a leaking cam seal dripping oil on the engine or exhaust. Pretty common and not too hard to fix.
     
  4. James in Denver

    James in Denver Formula 3

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    Smoke was definately coming from engine bay, not the exhaust. It was close to the rear window. I couldn't tell if the exhaust was smoking as I wasn't paying attention out of the rear view mirrors while accelerating.

    If I were to pursue this car, the dealer said I could take it to FOD for PPI (compression / leakdown).

    I dunno, but comparing the appearance (not performance, but appearance) of this 86 red/tan to the pictures of the FOW 87 black/red, this one really appears to be "used", maybe not "used up" but definately used. There is, of course, a $10K price difference.

    James

     
  5. furmano

    furmano Three Time F1 World Champ

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    James,

    As someone who is researching the market and may jump in this spring (and has never owned a Ferrari), your reports are very informative. Keep it up.

    -F
     
  6. vvassallo

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    I agree about the smoke - oil leaking from somewhere on a manifold. Take along a fire extinguisher on the next drive. :) As for the gear whine, not a good thing as the trans should not be whining about anything except not getting a good run thru the gears! 2nd should be stiff, but not impossible to enter regardless of temp. Remember to match revs in downshifting and it wouldn't hurt to do this upshifting if u get stiffness, but I don't make this a habit. Personally I always used Red Line synthetic in the trans and never got this problem unless the mechanic forgot to use what I speced; then they redid it.

    As u have noticed there are different driving epxeriences thru the 308 range of cars depending what year and if it's a QV, carb or injection car, not to mention 308 vrs. 328. The most viceral experiences are in the older carb cars. The most refined in the 328's. 308 QV's (1983-1985) offer a pretty good mix. If u have your heart set on the GT4 feeling but want a GTB, then look for a 1976 fiberglass car and be prepared to spend some $$.
     
  7. hardtop

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    As others have said, oil is hitting the exhaust. Needs to be taken care of quickly. However, if it is a cam seal, this is a big job as the cams have to come out. Basically, you end up doing a major service. It could be leaking from a cam cover gasket (this happened to my car last year) which is not a big deal. How many miles on this car? Every 3X8 shifts a little different from others. I had an 87 that was pretty tough to shift. My current 89 is very smooth by Ferrari standards. May I ask who in Castle Rock is selling this car?

    DAve
     
  8. vvassallo

    vvassallo F1 Veteran

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    Just drove a 76 308 today - trans was smooth as silk on non synthetic fluid. weird eh? I guess hardtop might be right about all 3x8's being different.
     
  9. James in Denver

    James in Denver Formula 3

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    http://tinyurl.com/j66e2

    A dealer / consignment shop in Castle Rock. Don't know the actual owner, but according to the dealer, he also owns a 348. Talked to Dave Helms, he doesn't know the car.

    The car is due for a major, but I'm probably not getting this one as I've got a few leads on other cars.

    James


     
  10. hardtop

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    OK. like I said in the other thread, I'm sure this is the guy I bumped into last spring in Castle Rock. I was driving my 430 and a friend of mine was there in his 328, so we struck up the conversation. I had seen both his cars on the road fairly often and learned they belonged to same guy whose name I can't remember. I do remember he bought the 348 from Bill McAbee who also lives in Castle Rock and used to work for Ferrari of Dallas and Ferrari of Denver, but can't pass on any words of wisdom on the 328. With a good PPI and a price of 35K, it may be OK. Might cost another 5-7K to make it really "primo". I know it has been driven regularly the last couple of years which is a plus in my book.

    Dave
     
  11. GrigioGuy

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    As others mentioned, the smoke is likely an oil leak, and the transmission shouldn't whine. Probably a change in gear oil will fix the whine, but you'd want it looked at closely. Mine shifts smoothly into second at all temps, but it also has 94XXX miles on it and is probably a bit more worn in than most :)

    Heavy steering at parking speeds is normal, especially if the front tires have been upsized. Acceleration in top gear is pretty dismal on most 328s I've driven -- I know it is on mine, and I have recent dyno graphs proving my motor's fine. You got to drop a gear for ramming speed.

    Sounds like a major service and a good detail would have you into a nice driver.

    EDIT: Heck, I didn't notice the price before. $35K is priced right for the car as described (assuming no undisclosed catastrophes).
     
  12. James in Denver

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    Thanks. My overall opinion on this car was that it was pretty much well used but not really taken care of. I'd rather look at his 348 since he supposedly just did a major a FOD + a clutch for $10K +, but he pulled that one from being on sale.

    FYI: I'm looking at a 308 QV at paragon, 308 QV at FOD and a 328 that Dave Helms knows about.

    James in Denver

     
  13. DGS

    DGS Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    If it's on the pass side, that could be oil leaking from the dipstick tube junction -- I had that before my last major, although I could barely detect it.

    Riding a motorcycle to test drive a sportscar is probably a bad idea. Any decent crotch rocket will walk away from a sportscar in a straight line (power to weight ratio). Turns are another matter entirely (two narrow tires versus four fat ones).

    The 328 isn't a dragster. The EVO will dust it in a straight line (after the turbo gets around to spooling up). The Ferrari lives for the turns.
     
  14. hardtop

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    An EVO, STI or (fill in blank with modern car) will dust a 328 in acceleration, cornering and braking BUT the 328 is more fun.

    Dave
     

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