WTF with all these 360s,430s and and Ferraris in general burning!!!

Good questions and statements to raise I think. Maybe the General forum is better for this but, regardless, you have a great point.

Serioulsy, WTF? The number seems to be piling up quite quickly lately. On a steady basis I seem to learn of another Lambo or Ferrari spontaneously combusting while just cruising along. It's crazy and unacceptable from Lambos and Ferraris. I mean, c'mon! These aren't just kit car companies! WTF?!? Paranoia proliferates.

 

I've had some of the same thughts, but wonder if the statistics bear it out. It's just not news when a Camery burns. I wonder what the real numbers are Say # of fires in a given model or Mfg range / million miles driven. Or # of fires per vehcletype / # of produced. Does NSTA keep records on this stuff? Pintos should be excluded from the chart because they mess up the curve.

 

Ha Ha!

 

The only dogs that bite are Pitbulls.

I am not so sure. I'd like to see stats.

I was in the regular car bus for a few years. Did a lot of burn repairs.

Have been in the Ferrari bus a few decades have done one burn repair.

Insurance investigator once told me most burned cars are arson. I can support that statement from experience.

More Ferrari's are bought on credit now than ever before.


Makes one think.

 

Good points. Stats are always helpful. The Pit Bull one especially hit home.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uft1Ie-xpsc Pit Bulls aka "Nurse Maid Dogs" (for being good with children ) 2002 temperment testing by American Testing Society showed that Pit Bulls were one of the least problematic dogs. 82% out of 100% good temperment.

It's deed not breed.

But, the Ferraris and Lambos are machines that are supposed to be consistantly doing what they were built and programmed to do. They don't have their own brain to make their own choices or central nervous system that gets emotional and needs to practice self control (had to throw that last part in for you picky people).

Ferraris and Lambos share "breed" traits because of mid engine builds. But, something about the deed seems to be causing the spontaneous combusting that has been popping up in both vehicles. It's not like every mid engine car spontaneously combusts. Ford, oftend criticised for issues, doesn't seem to be having Ford GTs spontaneously combust.

Some say stuff about the fuel line. Whatever it is I think it's unacceptable for well established and "highest quality" Ferraris and Lambos. This has apparently been happening too often for very late/new model Ferraris and Lambos.

Let's not forget that you can't compare stats of arson to spontaneous combustion while cruising and expect to prove much of anything. They're two wildly different issues.

 

I worry about this and wish there was some study available regarding Ferraris and their likelyhood of exploding upon impact compared with other cars. I would like to believe that given the price point, they would be less likely to catch fire. The videos I've seen, many end with fire in the cabin, engulfing the driver.

I've been reading posts that when accidents occur, many end in fire and death. In the last 30 days I've seen where a known forum member hit a tree and his Enzo was burned to a crisp, another in a 360 Spyder where the driver was also burned to death. These are factual incidents that are on the forum. I know some members will be bothered/upset by this thread, but can someone provide some facts on the matter so we can all benefit. I apologize to anyone that is offended, but I too am very interested in this as well.

Thanks-

 

You say unacceptable. You have no Ferrari. You don't provide any bona fides in the Ferrari world. You come here after 75 posts without data or stastistics of any kind and proclaim the cars unacceptable and unsafe.

Bring proof.

I do not say that such does not exist but before making such proclamations you should support it with at least a shred of evidence, not just a few badly written news stories that have no investigation behind them.

Show us that Ferraris have a higher incidence of burning or death from fire than the norm for cars used in an equivalent way.

 

The Enzo you speak about the driver was dead before the fire. I suspect one led to the other. The other crash I have not heard about so I suspect that we both have no idea what happened.

 

I do think it is unacceptable, no matter what the stats are. Not one car, in my humble yet confident opinion, should be spontaneously combusting at all let alone in the middle of a drive. It seems to have happened on several occasions to late model Lambos and Ferraris. I'm quite sure I've seen it with more than one of both makes.

Who cares? Do you? Would it really matter if you did? No. It's totally irrelevant. We know the cars are awesome. We know plenty of people have them and they don't blow up or spontaneously combust. My points still stand. And as I said before, you have great points. I don't think our points are mutually exclusive at all. I wasn't trying to argue at all. I was basically agreeing. You really seem like you like to argue.

The only thing that was worth "rebuttal" was to remind that comparing arson stats to spontaneous combustion sats for these purposes seems trifling.

On a side note, how would you really know? People choose what to put in their profiles. But, I'm being honest when I say I do not own one. I'm close to ownership. Even if I grab my multi million dollar paycheck soon enough, I'm still not sure if it would be wise to buy a Ferrari due to further business plans. Self control is difficult to practice with beautiful cars though so whatever happens, happens. I'll just try not to be too unwise about it.

Calm down. Sheesh. Who cares? Do you? Would it really matter if you did? No. It's totally irrelevant. We know the cars are awesome. We know plenty of people have them and they don't blow up or spontaneously combust. My points still stand. And as I said before, you have great points. I don't think our points are mutually exclusive at all. I wasn't trying to argue at all. I was basically agreeing. You really seem like you like to argue.

My points still stand. But, I think you're making much more of a big deal out of them than I was or anyone else was. Granted, my statement was quite general but I still think you could calm down about it. And another trivial jab with the post count as if post count counts for anything. Calm down. We can all be friendly here.

I understood this was your point from your first post. As I said then, I will say now: Good point(s). I'll respectfully request again: Please calm down.

Best.

 

Is your real name Gentry?

 

No. I'm a bit offended though because I saw people talk about him in the MDM Eurotics thread. Please don't try to attack me for no reason. I did nothing to you or anyone. I've done nothing inappropriate on this forum. I've been honest, friendly and tried to be helpful ... like I do all the time anywhere. That is all. Aren't we all here because we like Ferraris? Great. Let's just do that. I'm unlikely to respond to any more personal comments. This is something more for Private Messages. Stay on topic please.

My best.

 

Ferraris are rare cars and most people will turn their head when they see one and only a few will ever have the oppurtunity to own one.

That is the main reason you see articles about burnt out Ferraris and lambos or even only crashed ones. It is a very exclusive, expensive car that many dream of, thus good news, like celebs that drink to much is good news.

Who cares about a burnt out volvo or chevy or honda ? Or who cares if average joe drinks to much.

Hope you get my point.

 

Simply asking.

No harm no foul

 

Rather than permit an otherwise very worthwhile discussion to degenerate, is there anyone able to access car insurance actuarial data?

I claim no expertise, but common sense suggests that if Ferrari's are prone to any unusual event(s) , and subsequent claims were made, this would be reflected in both statistics and premiums,

When approaching carriers for insurance, i.e. Leland, AAA, and State Farm, I did not find premiums out of line with the value of the car. For example, I now pay around $2400 a year with 500/500 coverage, and (importantly) replacement coverage of an "agreed upon value".

Best

 

One question I have (and it may be difficult to answer) is what layout is more prone to fires? I've seen mid-engine cars in flames (Ferraris, Lambos, NSXs, a Ford GT) and of course front-engine cars, but I wonder which is more likely.

It seems to me that a mid-engine would be prone due to fuel lines and heat in the engine bay but who knows, that is a very un-scientific theory.

Any thoughts?

 

With all due respect, and in order to answer the real question about "potential danger" and the need to "correct" a real or imagined problem - we need data.

Given the importance of this matter, it might be best to minimize speculation and look for actuarial data from insurers.

For my part I have contacted an insurance underwriter, that probably does little Ferrari business, but should have acturarial information. I have requested any "unusual" experience with Ferrari, especially 360's and 430's, serious enough to impact permiums.

The company contacted is not a major insurer of Ferrari. I am disinclined to contact primary insurers of Ferrari's, not wanting to make trouble for any of us who rely on them for insurance.

I am asking other informed Ferrarichat participants to help. We have a world community.

If, in fact, there is a problem, we can then determine a strategy to help resolve it and if not, leave well enough alone. Best

 

My guess is two things. Insurance "lightning" and poor maintenance. I agree with Brian's comments that many are being "purchased" as leases and that not all can afford the correct maintenance that comes with ownership. A total loss with full agreed value coverage is a way out for those that get in over their head.

As for the wrecks, my theory on it is all of the electronic aids that all car companies are adding do not make better drivers, they allow poor drivers to be travelling at a much higher speed when they really loose it.

 

I admire and respect your initiative and proactive approach. Your motives are also admirable. I must admit that I'm not willing to put such effort in for these purposes at this time, so in this case you are the better man than many of us in this thread.

My best to you.