During the routine 15K service last week, I was informed by the dealer that my 05 360 spider with 13,000 miles has a cracked exhaust manifold (s) I have searched the forum for others with this problem with no luck. Question? are there other owners who have experianced this problem, and if so, what was done about it, ie, did FNA take care of it 100% under warranty or 50% or ? One would think this this would be covered under the 8 years 80,000 mile emissions warranty? or? My dealer indicated there would be no warranty replacement. They estimated the replacement of both manifolds at $10,000 + $1000 labor. Can this be true? and if so will I be faced with doing this again in another 13,000 miles? I do see a lot of postings re the F355 manifolds cracking, with no help from FNA. Any assistance in this research will be much appreciated. I find this very odd and do not intend to simply roll over. Ciao, Major Chili 2005 360 Spider 6 sp Manual
1st one I've heard of.. If it has precats as 2000 or later then it should be covered under warranty via fed emissions law.
Sad but true.... ALL 355's went through their exhaust manifolds....and I'm told that, unfortunately, the 360's have the same mediocre-quality material used in the exhaust manifolds and eventually we too will suffer the same fate of needing to get them taken care of. Hopefully you're covered....
If they will do it for that little, its a good deal. (assuming its a real dealer.) My guess if you do all the "while we are in there" stuff like clutch and belts, you will be $20k.
WAAAY to high of a price for genuine Ferrari manifolds. They can be had for almost $2K less. In either quote, you need to budget about another $200 for manifold gaskets, and donuts.
I see used ones on eBay for 1K, or you can always put a set of Tubi headers on it for MUCH less than what you're being quoted.
I just took out my headers today. The actual manifold isn't cracked, but some of the tubes that have the exhaust recycle are cracked. This is a much cheaper problem to fix. Is this the same for you? or is it the exhaust manifold it self is cracked. Do you have pictures?
The prices for out of warranty work are obscene. They will quote the price in advance so you can go into a repair with your eyes wide open, its just the cost makes owning a 5 year old plus car really high.
First, I really appreciate all the input from fellow 360 owners on this subject. Second, I picked up my car today paid the $6,002.00 for the 3 year belt service, which I am at this point very happy with. My understanding from others is that this service can be had for less money at other dealers but i am convinced that my dealer takes extra care and replaces items that other dealers may not. Third, Now lets return to the subject of the cracked header (s) The service manager insist that my headers are not covered by warranty in the state of washington. He says they are only covered in California. Armed with information I received from this thread and through talking with other knowledgeable people on this subject I explained my position. I mentioned that 13,000 miles on a set of headers was inconsistent with the high quality of the Marque. I went on to say that I would like to resolve this with out getting down in the mud so to speak. The service Mgr. left it open to a settlement pending some type of consideration from FNA. At this point FNA had not weight in as yet. I should have photos to post in the next day or so. Conclusion, I remain very disappointed, not with my dealer, whom I continue to have the upmost respect for, and who I believe have acted in the best professional manor. I just can't get past the Idea of a $250,000 car having such an important part fail in such a short period of time. I would hope Ferrari would have an immediate discussion with the header supplier, and hold the supplier responsible for the replacement parts, but only after the headers have been reengineered to a higher standard. Who wants to have a replacement part installed when there is a high probability of another failure in another 13,000 miles. Someone mentioned the the 430 headers were cracking at 9000 miles. If this is correct, it is an outrage. I would encourage all 360 owners to have their headers checked. It takes a little less than one hour. If you find evidence of leakage please contact me. Ciao, Major Chili 2005 360 Spider Manual "Never to Late To Wait"
According to EPA the headers are part of the emissions system........I got this directly from the EPA Certifications Director that handles ALL FERRARI's coming into USA from the factory. My response is to carry this header failure to EPA as a complaint and inform FNA of your intended action if they will not cover it under the "EMISSIONS WARRANTY"
I have a question regarding checking the headers. The 360 headers are wrapped with sheet metal, how do you actually check if there are any cracked header pipe without cracking open the shielding?
Good Question, In my case there was fiberglass puffing out from under the aluminum heat shielding. Please see below photos The other way is to listen to the leak or use one of those small camera cords to go up into the header. Still no word from FNA. Ciao, Major Chili Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
O.k., dumb question... What's the problem with driving around with a cracked header for a while? Will this hurt the engine, toast the exhaust, contribute to global warming, cause an engine fire? I mean, I drove my 1972 Pontiac LeMans for like 20 years with a hole in the manifold gasket and it just made the exhaust sound better. It was even better when the muffler fell off on a month long road trip, with like no extra money for a new one, so I just kept on driving it! That car was bullet proof. Literally. ;-) Hunter
+1 I'm in CA, and I do know I have an "addendum" to the warranty manual for emissions in this state. However, I believe the EPA "emissions warranty" is federal, and FNA are probably trying their usual "try and make him go away" approach. I don't see any way they can claim the headers are not a part of the emission control system, and thence covered.... As always, my 02c, Cheers, Ian
Tip of the iceberg. We have suuccessfully represented 2 360 owners against FNA for failed exhaust manifolds and the consequent damage. This is a picture of the replacement engine in my shop waiting to be installed in car #2. I know of another car with extensive engine damage being repaired right now. A class action suit is not out of the question. Contact me if you have or you think you have a 360 with bad manifolds or failed precats. BTW Ferrari is out of replacement 360 engines and is out of many critical parts to repair/rebuild them. That should make you think. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Dear Rifledriver- Please tell me more about the damage that can be caused by cracked exhaust manifold. Does it appear to be a model year related problem or is the entire 360 production at risk? What are the ways you can tell if your engine is starting to be damaged? What is the damage? How did Ferrari finally fix the problem? Thanks!
Just to give a quick answer. A exhaust leak can lead to poor performance and a higher risk of fire. As far as what Ferrari had done to resolve this (I haven't a clue) I'll let Brian get into that.
What makes you think it got fixed? The only fix applied was to quit building 360. Now they have the 430. When they get tired of replacing those manifolds we will be representing 430 owners because Ferrari is going to fix those about the same time they fix the 355. Some call Microsoft the Evil Empire. B.S. Ferrari could give lessons to B.G.
+1 [You really were missed!] However, I'm hoping you're working on my car and not wasting time posting here...... Cheers, Ian
Brian, Welcome back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Glad to see you share your wealth of knowledge and valuable information once again on Fchat!!!!!!!! THANKS! Robert
