viper ACR turns in a 7:22 Nurburgring laptime

nthfinity · Aug 27, 2008

http://www.motortrend.com/av/features/112_0811_2009_dodge_viper_acr_nurburgring_record_video/index.html

Not too shabby, but its slower then a GTR is

LamboLover · Aug 27, 2008

You do realize that means the ACR just took the record. 7:22 is 4 seconds faster than the ZR1, 3 seconds faster than the V-Spec's supposed time, & 2 seconds faster than the LF-A's supposed time.

Unbelievable. 7:22?! Just, wow. I had a good feeling that it would have set a great time, but that its gearing would slow it down on the straights. But to set a 7:22 means it had to have been flying through the first half of the course

ZonderF · Aug 27, 2008

Yeah that's pretty freakin fast, but it's ugly as hell.

nthfinity · Aug 27, 2008

ZonderF said: ↑

Yeah that's pretty freakin fast, but it's ugly as hell.
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I always saw Viper coupes as beautifully stiled long lines and curves. It still unfortunately sounds like a viper.

Imagine what the car would lap if it had a little more in the final ratio. Bouncing off the limiter all the time, even down Dottinger Hoe. It wouldn't surprise me if with better gearing, the car would lap 7:10's if nothing else was changed.

Very impressive

why will nobody question the validity of the lap time here?

1. The car has very soft semi-slick tires
2. the car has very progressive aerodymamic aids
3. the car has tremendous power and torque
4. the car has reduced in weight (only slightly, but in important areas)

such a combination shouldn't lose

LamboLover · Aug 27, 2008

Because there really isn't a need to when you look at how the car comes equipped. It also had no problem being faster than GT2 & the GT-R on other tests. The only thing that surprises me is that it was actually able to take the record for the 'Ring. I figured it would have come in a few seconds behind the GT-R & GT2.

Akira · Aug 28, 2008

That's awesome! ACR just took away the spot light from ZR1 and GTR.

But the question is, where is Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari, Benz, Audi, BMW, etc? They are loosing the game on their own back yard. And to those people who say Euro cars are more than performance, I do agree with you. No American or Japanese company can match the luxury and performance mix of Euros. But now Euro cars are falling behind the performance department in a big way. I hope they can catch up.

Dilancer · Aug 28, 2008

Wow that things a beast. Yet to see one.

Craigy · Aug 28, 2008

It's a totally badass car. I'm glad they made an excuse to stick a big wing on the back.

I don't understand why more of these performance cars don't have the big wing. Even Ferrari, with the winged 40 and 50, finally got rid of it with the Enzo. Huge mistake. And it's hard to come by a Lamborghini these days with a wing. I suppose when every Accord and Sentra started sporting a whale-tail, spoilers just went out of vogue; however, we can't let those sorts ruin a good thing. Top Gear put on their own big wing on the Koenigsegg, Mopar put that mamma jamma on the Viper, and the results have been nothing short of golden. If F1, Indycar, and now even Nascar all need wings, why should we settle for anything less?

nthfinity said: ↑

It still unfortunately sounds like a viper.
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Man, you just don't know what's good for you.

LamboLover · Aug 28, 2008

Akira said: ↑

That's awesome! ACR just took away the spot light from ZR1 and GTR.

But the question is, where is Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari, Benz, Audi, BMW, etc? They are loosing the game on their own back yard. And to those people who say Euro cars are more than performance, I do agree with you. No American or Japanese company can match the luxury and performance mix of Euros. But now Euro cars are falling behind the performance department in a big way. I hope they can catch up.
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Lambo. has that supposed Murcie SV, though to be honest, I'm not expecting it to perform like the ACR, just be really damn fast. And I'm sure both Porsche & the red headed Italians are up to something.

technom3 · Aug 28, 2008

that really is ridiculous how much he is hitting the limiter on the straight. I understand it about 90% of the time when he is approaching the corner... there were a few he could have grabben another gear... but with so many corners, and a car so fast and a bumpy surface, sometimes finishing is worth much more than wadding the car up over a couple of tents or even a second in total. he should have shifted to 5th though. Then again, he is clearly a professional driver, and I am sure he would have thought of that if it would have helped

soccerjunky · Aug 28, 2008

After Nissan announced in May of this year that its 480-horsepower, all-wheel-drive GT-R lapped Germany's infamous 20.8-km (12.9 miles) Nurburgring Nordschleife in a time of 7:29, Viper people became restless. Then, just a month later, following Chevrolet's declaration that its 638-horsepower supercharged Corvette ZR1 was the king of the hill, breaking the GT-R's record with a time of 7:26, Viper people became downright mad. Not the folks who work for Dodge, mind you, but the members of the Viper Club of America, a group of Viper fanatics that in fact stretches its arms well beyond America, as far as Japan and Germany. Sick and tired of hearing about other cars setting records at the Nordschleife, they wanted to see their pride and joy-namely, Dodge's new track-attacking 600-horsepower Viper ACR (American Club Racer)-take a shot at the record books. But what could they do about it?

Well, they could (and did) bug Dodge-specifically, the Street & Racing Technology team-to the point that SRT said, What the heck, let's go for it. So SRT rented the Nordschleife for a half-day (at a cost of $2000 Euro per hour), shipped two ACRs over to Germany, hired a pro driver through Zakspeed (a race team that runs Vipers in the ADAC Zurich 24h Race at the Nrburgring), and hoped for good weather and, more important, a lap time quicker than 7:26. And, for posterity, the SRT team figured having a media outlet on-hand was a wise idea, so they invited Motor Trend

1.Driver had never driven the ACR before.
2. He broke the record on his third lap in the car.
3. He missed two shifts (not just one).
4. He faced a pretty strong headwind on that final straight - so much so that the Viper's stock gearing and enormous down force made it impractical to use 5th gear.

Sad to see those expensive german cars so far behind....
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TCT · Aug 28, 2008

An outstanding result.

What a great car for the street or track.

SRT Mike · Aug 28, 2008

LamboLover said: ↑

You do realize that means the ACR just took the record. 7:22 is 4 seconds faster than the ZR1, 3 seconds faster than the V-Spec's supposed time, & 2 seconds faster than the LF-A's supposed time.

Unbelievable. 7:22?! Just, wow. I had a good feeling that it would have set a great time, but that its gearing would slow it down on the straights. But to set a 7:22 means it had to have been flying through the first half of the course
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You clearly do not know what you are talking about.

It is *NOT* slower than the GTR's time.

If you think it was, just keep reading the above sentence until you get it!

3604u · Aug 28, 2008

Impressive timings..

SRT Mike · Aug 28, 2008

nthfinity said: ↑

I always saw Viper coupes as beautifully stiled long lines and curves. It still unfortunately sounds like a viper.

Imagine what the car would lap if it had a little more in the final ratio. Bouncing off the limiter all the time, even down Dottinger Hoe. It wouldn't surprise me if with better gearing, the car would lap 7:10's if nothing else was changed.

Very impressive

why will nobody question the validity of the lap time here?

1. The car has very soft semi-slick tires
2. the car has very progressive aerodymamic aids
3. the car has tremendous power and torque
4. the car has reduced in weight (only slightly, but in important areas)

such a combination shouldn't lose
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What is your basis for saying would lap 7:10's with better gearing? That would be a huge difference. I don't think gearing is going to improve the lap time by 12 seconds - not even close.

As for the validity of the lap time - this is a 600hp car with IIRC >1000lbs of downforce and weighs in around 3300lbs. This lap time makes perfect sense.

The reason the GTR lap time was questioned was it was only a few seconds off the ACR, yet had nowhere near the aero, nowhere near the power, and drastically higher weight.... ergo, it doesn't make sense (save for the "it's tricked out man!" rationale).

How do you figure the Vipers tires are "semi slick"????

Either a tire is a slick or it is not. The Viper doesn't come with "semi slicks".

SRT Mike · Aug 28, 2008

soccerjunky said: ↑

After Nissan announced in May of this year that its 480-horsepower, all-wheel-drive GT-R lapped Germany's infamous 20.8-km (12.9 miles) Nurburgring Nordschleife in a time of 7:29, Viper people became restless. Then, just a month later, following Chevrolet's declaration that its 638-horsepower supercharged Corvette ZR1 was the king of the hill, breaking the GT-R's record with a time of 7:26, Viper people became downright mad. Not the folks who work for Dodge, mind you, but the members of the Viper Club of America, a group of Viper fanatics that in fact stretches its arms well beyond America, as far as Japan and Germany. Sick and tired of hearing about other cars setting records at the Nordschleife, they wanted to see their pride and joy-namely, Dodge's new track-attacking 600-horsepower Viper ACR (American Club Racer)-take a shot at the record books. But what could they do about it?

Well, they could (and did) bug Dodge-specifically, the Street & Racing Technology team-to the point that SRT said, What the heck, let's go for it. So SRT rented the Nordschleife for a half-day (at a cost of $2000 Euro per hour), shipped two ACRs over to Germany, hired a pro driver through Zakspeed (a race team that runs Vipers in the ADAC Zurich 24h Race at the Nrburgring), and hoped for good weather and, more important, a lap time quicker than 7:26. And, for posterity, the SRT team figured having a media outlet on-hand was a wise idea, so they invited Motor Trend

1.Driver had never driven the ACR before.
2. He broke the record on his third lap in the car.
3. He missed two shifts (not just one).
4. He faced a pretty strong headwind on that final straight - so much so that the Viper's stock gearing and enormous down force made it impractical to use 5th gear.

Sad to see those expensive german cars so far behind....
love the michigan plate
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AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Craigy · Aug 28, 2008

SRT Mike said: ↑

What is your basis for saying would lap 7:10's with better gearing? That would be a huge difference. I don't think gearing is going to improve the lap time by 12 seconds - not even close.

As for the validity of the lap time - this is a 600hp car with IIRC >1000lbs of downforce and weighs in around 3300lbs. This lap time makes perfect sense.

The reason the GTR lap time was questioned was it was only a few seconds off the ACR, yet had nowhere near the aero, nowhere near the power, and drastically higher weight.... ergo, it doesn't make sense (save for the "it's tricked out man!" rationale).

How do you figure the Vipers tires are "semi slick"????

Either a tire is a slick or it is not. The Viper doesn't come with "semi slicks".
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http://www.michelinman.com/tires/ultra-high-performance-sport/pilot-sport-cup/

That looks semi slick to me.

nthfinity · Aug 28, 2008

SRT Mike said: ↑

What is your basis for saying would lap 7:10's with better gearing? That would be a huge difference. I don't think gearing is going to improve the lap time by 12 seconds - not even close.
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you misunderstand, 7:10's doesn't equate to 7:10 lap time, but in the teens..... i suppose I could've written it as "sub 7:20" as it would mean the same thing.... but will less misunderstandings.

As for the validity of the lap time - this is a 600hp car with IIRC >1000lbs of downforce and weighs in around 3300lbs. This lap time makes perfect sense.
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exactly

The reason the GTR lap time was questioned was it was only a few seconds off the ACR, yet had nowhere near the aero, nowhere near the power, and drastically higher weight.... ergo, it doesn't make sense (save for the "it's tricked out man!" rationale).
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huh, your speaking another laguage here (j/ki)

How do you figure the Vipers tires are "semi slick"????

Either a tire is a slick or it is not. The Viper doesn't come with "semi slicks".
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they are semi-slick michillen Pilot Sport Cup tires. That makes them a semi-slick. They are the same optional tire for the Porsche 911 GT3 RS, a comparable tire to the rubber on t he Ferrari 360 CS, and the same rubber that is on the BMW M3 CSL. All semi-slicks.

REMIX · Aug 28, 2008

Akira said: ↑

That's awesome! ACR just took away the spot light from ZR1 and GTR.

But the question is, where is Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari, Benz, Audi, BMW, etc? They are loosing the game on their own back yard. And to those people who say Euro cars are more than performance, I do agree with you. No American or Japanese company can match the luxury and performance mix of Euros. But now Euro cars are falling behind the performance department in a big way. I hope they can catch up.
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Just imagine what is going to happen once these guys get their interiors "right". From a performance standpoint, everything else is there now.

RMX

SSNISTR · Aug 28, 2008

Wow, impressive! I just with it had "normal" street tires like the ZR1. And I agree, the one bad thing about Vipers is that sound like do do. But the ACR sure looks mean as hell.

Akira · Aug 28, 2008

Just for comparison,

Viper ACR - 7:22
Viper SRT 10 - 7:59

37 seconds improvement!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times

TexasF355F1 · Aug 28, 2008

Maybe Chrysler should fold up and focus soley on building American supercars.

nthfinity · Aug 28, 2008

Akira said: ↑

Just for comparison,

Viper ACR - 7:22
Viper SRT 10 - 7:59

37 seconds improvement!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times
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several problems there

The SRT 10 used was the original convertible; which "only" has 500 horsepower.
The base viper now has 600 @ 8.4 liters vs. 8.2 liters.
the 7:56 C5 Z06 lap is noted as being driven by Dave Hill, it was done by John Henriechy... that list can be taken with a grain of salt IMO.

solofast · Aug 28, 2008

SRT Mike said: ↑

How do you figure the Vipers tires are "semi slick"????

Either a tire is a slick or it is not. The Viper doesn't come with "semi slicks".
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http://www.michelinman.com/tires/ult...lot-sport-cup/

Come on SRT Mike...

From your other posts, I can tell that you've been a track rat for a long time... Most of the time I agree with you, but if the ACR is on the tires noted above, it is running basically a DOT competition tire (call it what you want, semi-slick is a term that got coined when Goodyear came out the the VR-S, the "tread", other than the two deep grooves, was less than 1/64 of an inch deep and was gone after the first or second lap) and you of all people know that is probably good for a lot of time on a track as long as the "Ring". Most certainly it is a huge advantage over the tires the Corvette was using. Heck it is worth two or three seconds in a sixty second autocross, I would bet it is worth 15 to 20 seconds (if not a lot more) in a 7 minute lap of the ring...

I realize that (again, assuming that the tire shown above is what the viper was on for it's "record" lap) maybe that's the tire that comes on the car, but come on, let's get real, if the Viper beat the Corvette by a small amount using a tire with that much more grip, that, given the similar tires, (and we can put any tire on a car after we buy it), the Corvette is likey the "faster" car. And that is, after all, what are we trying to debate here...

Fpassion · Aug 28, 2008

nthfinity said: ↑

several problems there

The SRT 10 used was the original convertible; which "only" has 500 horsepower.
The base viper now has 600 @ 8.4 liters vs. 8.2 liters.
the 7:56 C5 Z06 lap is noted as being driven by Dave Hill, it was done by John Henriechy... that list can be taken with a grain of salt IMO.
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Also missing cars from wiki list......lol

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html
http://www.*************/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073

6:53* -- 181.31 km/h -- Ariel Atom, 560 PS/500 kg (*provisional entry according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times , based on mfr. estim.)
6:55* -- 178.69 km/h -- Radical SR8, 360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers (sep,28 05), (*street-legal only in the UK) www.radicalextremesportscars.com/news_folder/nord0905/index.php
7:11* -- 172.07 km/h -- McLaren F1 #LMXP1 (Promotional Car), Mika Hakkinen, www.sps-automotive.com/en_sps/track/07Nt_zonda.html (*not an official source)
7:12* -- 171.67 km/h -- Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03) (*mfr.)
7:14.89 171.18 km/h Donkervoort D8 270 RS, , 350 PS/600 kg, Michael Düchting (nov,6 05), http://autoweek.nl/newsdisp.php?cache=no&ID=4199
7:15.63 169.31 km/h -- Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, Patrick Simons (sport auto 09/05), www.edo-competition.de/fileadmin/MEDIA/VIDEO/nordschleife_runde.avi www.chpltd.com/911_porsche_world/ringmeister.html
7:18.01 170.24 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, Michael Duechting (sport auto 12/04) http://speed.*************/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=13957
7:19* -- 168.93 km/h -- Radical SR3 1500 Turbo, Phil Bennet (jun,15 03) (*mfr.)
www.radicalsportscars.com/gallery/ring2b.mpg
7:22.1 - 167.74 km/h -- 2009 Dodge Viper ACR, 600 PS/1488 kg www.motortrend.com/features/performance/112_0808_2009_dodge_viper_acr_nurburgring_record/index.html www.motortrend.com/av/features/112_0811_2009_dodge_viper_acr_nurburgring_record_video/index.html
7:22.9 - 167.07 km/h -- Loaded BMW M3 CSL, 532.7 PS/1427 kg, Richard Göransson (nov,15 07) www.loaded.se/sd_page/29/1/index.php?
7:24* -- 167.03 km/h -- Lexus LF-A, 552 PS/??? kg *unofficial, according to http://motormagazine.co.jp/2007/12/20081_4.html
www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/214086/lexus_lfa.html
TARGET="_new">www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/232532/
7:26.4* 161.12 km/h -- Corvette ZR1, 620 PS/1519 kg *General Motors development engineer Jim Mero http://blog.gmnext.com/?p=194 http://videos.streetfire.net/video/ZR1-Nurburgring-Official_170754.htm?Ref=Blog
7:27.82 161.20 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F Clubsport, 641 PS/1230 kg, Marc Basseng (EVO #112) www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/228650/
www.supercarmovies.com/html/contentEPISODE5movie.php
7:28* -- 165.56 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, * company test driver Walther Roehrl (Autobild 07/04)
7:29* -- 164.68 km/h -- 2009 Nissan GT-R, ??? PS/??? kg, *company test driver Tochio Suzuki according to mfr. www.nissaneurope-newsbureau.com/nissanmedia/front?controller=SubRubrik&id=nissan_europe_press_room_10772091931250/news_and_events_10772871591872/presse_releases_10781508884370/corporate_10781511772180&pubId=gt_r_achieves_under______at_nurburgring_12095056384513968
7:31 --- 164.38 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT2, 530 PS/1440 kg, company test driver Walter Roehrl according to www.automotorsport.se/tv/?m=11159
7:32* -- 164.07 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F, 650 PS/1230 kg (*mfr.) www.autodrome-cannes.com/index-eng.asp
7:32* -- 164.07 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT2, 530 PS/ 1440 kg, company test driver Walter Roehrl (*mfr.) www.caranddriver.com/previews/14155/first-drive-2008-porsche-911-gt2.html
7:32.18 164.07 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT2, 530 PS/ 1440 kg, company test driver Walter Roehrl www.autobild.de/artikel/Themen-Testberichte-Duell-am-Ring_422642.html
7:32.44 163.91 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, definitive time Horst von Saurma (sport auto 01/04)
7:32.52 163.88 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 01) www.gemballa.com/news/gtr6002.html
7:33 --- 163.71 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/ 1371 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto 05/06) www.*************/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=83550
7:33 --- 163.71 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT2, 530 PS/1497 kg (sport auto 11/07) www.*************/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=142508
7:34 --- 163.59 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1418 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto oct,17-18 05) www.*************/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=75219
7:35* -- 162.86 km/h -- Nissan GT-R, 473 PS/1724 kg (*mfr. estimation) www.motortrend.com/future/spied_vehicles/112_0712_2008_nissan_gt_r
7:35 --- 162.86 km/h -- Ruf Rt12, 650 PS/1573 kg (sport auto 01(08) www.*************/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=150345
7:36 --- 162.63 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (02)
7:36 --- 162.63 km/h -- Mercedes SL 63 AMG Black Series www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/auto_-_produkte/hxcms_article_507838_13987.hbs
7:37* -- 162.28 km/h -- Honda NSX test mule, 550 PS * www.autoblog.com/2008/06/19/nsx-laps-ring-unofficially-at-7-37/
7:38* -- 161.63 km/h -- Mercedes SLR 722 GT, *company test driver Chris Goodwin www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/auto_-_produkte/hxcms_article_507671_13987.hbs
7.38* -- 161.63 km/h -- Nissan R35 GT-R, *company test driver Suzuki, slick cut tyres, track partially wet www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123066?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1.*#40
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg http://youtube.com/watch?v=mqjnwbji13k
7.39 --- 161.58 km/h -- Ferrari 430 Scuderia, 510 PS/1402 kg (sport auto 07/08) http://www.*************/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=160225
7.39* -- 161.58 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:39 --- 161.58 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1180 kg, www.koenigsegg.com/news/articles.asp?news=91&page=&type=news
7.39 --- 161.58 km/h -- TechArt GT street (based on 997 Turbo) 620 PS/1552 kg (sport auto 10/07) www.*************/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=1&fID=1&tID=140084
www.sportauto-online.de/aktuell_U_sport/on-line/hxcms_article_507063_14469.hbs
7:39.39 161.219 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Röhrl (AutoBild 02/06)

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