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Old 04-24-2009, 11:50 PM
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Is the 560-4 really that fast?

Ok. So I have seen multiple magazine articles with performance numbers on the 560-4. Some of them have amazingly impressive performance numbers. How much lighter is the 560-4 over the 2008 Gallardo? It's almost 1 second quicker from 0-60 and over 1.5 seconds quicker in the 1/4 mile. What was more surprising is how much more impressive the numbers looked when compared to the Superleggera and the LP640 Murcis. Not sure if it makes sense or not, but it appears much quicker than both of these based on the articles and the Superleggera does not give up much hp or weight to it. Why such a big difference? Am I missing something???
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Old 04-25-2009, 04:22 AM
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560 is F A S T

The 560 isn't that much lighter than a regular '08 (and it is heavier than a Superleggera), but it has a direct injection engine with more torque and ~40 more HP (and revs a little higher). That engine seems to have some serious get up and go...

Exhibit A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYo4zlmg9EY

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Old 04-25-2009, 11:36 AM
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I've driven both, the 560 is way better, it's weird because the interior looks the same. the transmission is the big change it crushes the old one and the F1 box on the 430.
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Old 04-25-2009, 03:17 PM
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the gear box in the 560 doesn't "crush" the 430's f1, especially not the scuds..
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Old 04-25-2009, 06:32 PM
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the gear box in the 560 doesn't "crush" the 430's f1, especially not the scuds..

drag race them both like i have and get back to us.
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Old 04-25-2009, 06:51 PM
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? I don't know why you say the gearbox crushes the F430. In what way? The LP560-4 has "improved" since the 06 line but I would not go as far as to say the gearbox is better than the F430. The F430's still seems smoother. I've driven them back to back but not side by side so maybe that's the improvement I can't see.

Anyway, yes the new engine in the 560 made a huge difference in the speed. I personally am not a fan though b/c it has lost a substantial amount of rawness that had been attributed to Lamborghinis. The e-gear is too smooth and the cabin noise is almost completely gone... including the sound from the exhaust. I think the only thing I liked about it was the suspension.
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Old 04-25-2009, 08:08 PM
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I knew I was going to get dragged into this and have to answer LOL LOL

First, I have never been an e-gear or f-1 fan, 6 speed for me all the way. I also have never had the G car as my first love, the V-12 LP or Diablo for me. I have owned every G Model made since 2004, coupe, spyder, nera, 6 speed, e-gear etc etc..none have them have ever made me want to get out of my Diablos or Lp640.

UNTIL now!

Last week I took in a 2009 LP560-4, E-gear with Sport package in on trade. Today was the first day I took it out, for about 40 miles. I was impressed from the minute I took off. The exhaust note is amazing, the brakes STOP YOU, the shift is quiet, smooth and FAST. The power is..will I think it is faster 0-100 then my LP640..Then I put it in to Corssa mode..A Whole new car...the SNAP of the e-gear was neck cracking, the exhaust at open up was as if I was on the Gran Prix track..and blistering fast while still planted to the ground like super glue!! I can only imagin what this will be like after it gets 5000 miles on it and is truly loosened up and broken in.

I think Lambo made a tre WINNER here, looks, performance, options and 3 year 36K mile warranty, not to mention the CUP Holder!! LOL

For sure a car to look at if you are thinking of a new toy...and now for my advertoising plug...I have the lowest price LP560-4 on the market in the USA today!!


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Old 04-25-2009, 08:21 PM
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? I don't know why you say the gearbox crushes the F430. In what way? The LP560-4 has "improved" since the 06 line but I would not go as far as to say the gearbox is better than the F430. The F430's still seems smoother. I've driven them back to back but not side by side so maybe that's the improvement I can't see.

Anyway, yes the new engine in the 560 made a huge difference in the speed. I personally am not a fan though b/c it has lost a substantial amount of rawness that had been attributed to Lamborghinis. The e-gear is too smooth and the cabin noise is almost completely gone... including the sound from the exhaust. I think the only thing I liked about it was the suspension.
this was not my experience at all, the 09 is louder than the 06 (back to back drives), and a different note.


the 560 transmission is the only "F1" style gearbox that from a dead stop you can simply mash down the gas and go...like an automatic, without blowing up your clutch. if i did that in the 430 my clutch would be toast, hence my opinion. frankly i'm surprised that there is a counterpoint to this, to me it was obvious from the get go.
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Old 04-25-2009, 09:54 PM
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this was not my experience at all, the 09 is louder than the 06 (back to back drives), and a different note.


the 560 transmission is the only "F1" style gearbox that from a dead stop you can simply mash down the gas and go...like an automatic, without blowing up your clutch. if i did that in the 430 my clutch would be toast, hence my opinion. frankly i'm surprised that there is a counterpoint to this, to me it was obvious from the get go.
Are you talking about launch control? ...I have an F430F1 and while I have not dumped the clutch on it before...I do not see why you couldn't.

...Anyway this new Gallardo is awesome. I am looking at trading in my '05 DB9 and '05 Gallardo for a new 560...only about $8k away from where I want to be.
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Old 04-26-2009, 03:32 PM
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if you mash the gas pedal on a 430 you'll smell the clutch frying...same on the 355 F1 and 360 and Gallardo and Murci, the lone exception is the 560 (I have not driven the Scud). if you think i'm mistaken, give it a whirl.
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Old 04-26-2009, 06:49 PM
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I certainly believe you but I also think these car are designed to be used in that way. I drove a new 997 C2S the other day and tried the launch control and that definitely gave off a burning clutch smell.
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you have to be an idiot to think that no clutch would ever burn, all clutches burn no matter what, don't be so short minded
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Old 04-27-2009, 05:11 AM
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Something doesn't jive with my experience. I will have to try it out again.

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this was not my experience at all, the 09 is louder than the 06 (back to back drives), and a different note.
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Old 04-28-2009, 02:16 AM
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drag race them both like i have and get back to us.
drag race?? the gearbox doesn't matter quite as much when the lambo has 70 more hp...
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Old 04-28-2009, 02:23 AM
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Yes it is. I was shocked! Here is the evidence that put me over the top:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/E...way_638460.htm

Go to 1:15 and watch from there.
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Old 04-28-2009, 05:19 AM
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The 560-4 is the best car Audi has ever produced. It's a genuinely awesome bit of engineering, and one that should make every Audi engineer very very proud...but it's an Audi that's overpriced by $100k.

Resale values are lining up with this notion.

Lambo is nothing more than an overpriced brand. The Gallardo's DNA was born and raised in Ingolsdtadt...Lambo is as Italian now as my BMW.

Sad, and really funny at the same time.
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Old 04-28-2009, 11:10 AM
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drag race?? the gearbox doesn't matter quite as much when the lambo has 70 more hp...
HP isn't the only thing, the 560 will beat an LP 640 to about 30 or 40 MPH.
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Old 04-28-2009, 11:15 AM
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The 560-4 is the best car Audi has ever produced. It's a genuinely awesome bit of engineering, and one that should make every Audi engineer very very proud...but it's an Audi that's overpriced by $100k.

Resale values are lining up with this notion.

Lambo is nothing more than an overpriced brand. The Gallardo's DNA was born and raised in Ingolsdtadt...Lambo is as Italian now as my BMW.

Sad, and really funny at the same time.
so? I have both, they're both great cars. if i had a KIA that was faster/handled better etc...that would not invalidate it's performance just because it was from Japan. I prefer my Ferrari...by a little. but to say that the gearbox is better in the Ferrari (than the 560) is just blind faith (give credit to Ferrari marketing).
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Old 04-28-2009, 11:30 AM
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HP isn't the only thing, the 560 will beat an LP 640 to about 30 or 40 MPH.
Correct, and if broke in and tuned correctly...will take a Lp-640...as much as I hate to admit it.
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