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Rear-end locked-up after installing my new Wheels!

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  1. Formula Uno

    Formula Uno F1 Veteran

    Oct 8, 2008
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    Just recieved my 16" Superformance Wheels and mounted them with new Dunlop Direzza Tires. So far so good...

    The fronts went on just fine with the wheels spinning freely....but....the rears are totally locked-up!! I then checked to make sure that I used the correct nuts (Long on the front-Short on the Rears) but that was not the case.

    What's going on here?? I know that many of you here have the Superformance wheels, and I do not remember anyone else having this problem.

    I shouldn't need spacers...

    What do you think??

    PS I e-mailed Colin at Superformance and I will let you know what he says as well.

    Thanks!

    Frank
     
  2. PhilB

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    Assuming the car is in the air while your installing/testing the new wheels: Is the shifter in gear?

    Phil
     
  3. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Back off on the lug bolts until they spin, and take a look at what is going on....

    Are they hitting the Konis???
     
  4. bert308

    bert308 Formula 3

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    If the car is not in the air but you jack up one wheel at a time, even if the car is in neutral, the limited slip diff will prevent free rotation of the lifted wheel.
     
  5. Bradley

    Bradley F1 Rookie

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    That would be my first question. (D'oh!)

    I installed the Superformance wheels last spring, and I love them. No problem going on/spinning freely either front or rear.

    Have you tried putting the original wheels back on to see if the problem is really with the wheels?

    If it's just a matter of having the car in gear when you try to "spin" them, don't feel bad; it wouldn't be the first time that someone assumed the worst-case scenario when the "problem" was really something quite simple. (Ask me how I know.) ;)

    My next guess would be that the new wheels knocked against the rotors or calipers, or are in some way interfering with their proper operation, causing the rear brakes to lock up.

    Please keep us all informed. I'm interested in knowing the cause of the problem - and whether I need to be vigilant about my own Superformance wheels, if in fact, it is a problem with the wheels themselves.

    And don't feel bad if you simply forgot that the car was in gear! As I said, you wouldn't be the first 308 owner to make a simple mistake like that!
     
  6. Formula Uno

    Formula Uno F1 Veteran

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    Good stuff!!

    I did not try to spin the rear wheels, only the fronts. Actually what I did was to start the car and drive it...initially I thought that left the handbrake on or left a block under the tire.

    I didn't try it with the old wheels back on since I literally I drove it, parked it, jacked it up and put the new wheels on, so it is definetly something related to the new wheels.

    Tex,
    I thought of that too, but they are not hitting the Koni's and do not seem to be hitting anything else either.

    I am waiting to hear from Colin...it will be a long sleepless night!
     
  7. PhilB

    PhilB Formula 3
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    Another obvious check - are you certain you put the new fronts in the front, and new rear wheels in the back?

    Phil
     
  8. Formula Uno

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  9. Paul308GTSi

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    A 16" front will fit front and back , , full size spares are 16 X 7's so they will go on anywhere. Of course that is just to get you home......

    If the wheel studs are too long they will hit the aluminum rear wheel bearing housings and nothing else.

    Pull one wheel off and put a wheel bolt in from the front , measure how far the bolt pokes through the back. Now do the same with the original wheel.
    Compare the difference , , , a 1/16th of an inch probably wouldn't hurt but more would be something to fully investigate.
     
  10. FF8929

    FF8929 Formula Junior

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    Had the same problem. New wheels were "thinner" where lug bolts went thru. Rear bolts went further into the threaded holes and interfered with something in there. I cut the bolts shorter, problem solved.
     
  11. Paul_308

    Paul_308 Formula 3

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    Funny that mine did the same when I changed to 16" wheels on my 1980.

    Mixing up front and back wheel studs does it. Front studs are longer and when used at the rear wheels dig into the brake disk, binding the wheel, locking it up, potentially warping it.
     
  12. GINO ROSSI

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    Fave - has this been corrected yet? If yes, what was the problem?
     
  13. 350HPMondial

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    odds are,

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    Frank got the bolts mixed up.
    ;)

    Done that,
    Edwardo
     
  14. Formula Uno

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    Sorry for the delay fellas, but I had a crazy weekend!

    Well, good news for me...it was the wheel bolts. I looked/felt around the inside of the wheel and nothing seemed to be binding so I bought 10 bolts that were 1/8" shorter than the OEM's and that as the say was that. What a great feeling!

    I spoke to Colin at Superformance who told me that he has sold a few thousand sets of these wheels and has not had even one customer encounter this same problem before so go figure. I will inform him of my results, since he cannot wait to know what happened there. Colin related that had no idea why the OEM bolts would not work, since his wheels are exact copy's of the 16" QV Wheels. Maybe something was/is different with my car??

    I did not mix-up the bolts so I wonder what went on here??

    Problem fixed, but the mystery continues...

    Thanks for all of your help!

    Frank
     
  15. Frari

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    Ahhh, its a thing of wonder... get all the minds together and without even seeing the car they come up with the right answer to the problem.
     
  16. 308 GTB

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    Frank, are you certain those were OEM rear bolts?
     
  17. Paul308GTSi

    Paul308GTSi Formula 3

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    Thats what I thought .......... I go to great lenghts to make sure I am putting things back together exactly where they came from only to realise I am working with stray / incorrect parts. Most 308's have had many owners before we got them. Who knows what drongo did what to these cars in the past.
     
  18. Formula Uno

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    Never thought of that. I should have said that they are the bolts that were on the car when I bought it. They SHOULD BE OEM, but when you think about it...who knows?

    They are all the same size and ARE shorter than the fronts but who knows what happened between 1980 and yesterday.

    As I said before, I spoke to Colin at Superformance who told me that he has never had this happen to him before with thousands of his wheels being sold.

    Another Ferrari lesson learned...
     
  19. mcimino

    mcimino Formula 3

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    OK, now lets see a pic with your new shoes!
     
  20. Newman

    Newman F1 World Champ
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    I doubt there are 500+ 308s running around (or stationary in your case) with these wheels on them.

    He cant get it out of the garage to take a picture, sorry I couldnt resist. :)
     
  21. Formula Uno

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    Come on now Newman pay attention...the car is running just fine now!!

    Now if I could just figure out how to post pictures...
     
  22. Newman

    Newman F1 World Champ
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    yeah I should've read the thread, too lazy :)
     

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