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Temple Buell: did he have a lot of Ferraris?

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  1. bitzman

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    I was reading up on the net about Temple Buell. I guess it's kind of confusing, as he was the son of Temple Buell, a famous architect. Anyway I got the idea that first he was a driver himself but as he grew larger and the cars he was interested in grew smaller, he began to hire drivers including Carroll Shelby. The cars included a Maserati GP car.I was wondering where he would be ranked among sponsors--just a passing fancy that only covered three or four cars or did he have a full race team, a car carrier and a stable of cars like Parravano, Reventlow and Edgar?
     
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    As of Maseratis had two 250F GP-cars and one of the mighty 450S sports racer. His personal car was a Maserati 3500GT Touring-Spyder (#101.124, one of only two cars made).

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    Also a S.II Cabriolet, s/n 3427 GT.
     
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    After owned by Dr. Thomas Bscher it was sold to Maserati collector Willi Baltz from Germany.

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    Thank you, Walter!
     
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    Temple was the officially recorded owner of my old Ferrari 500TR, s/n 0652MD/TR. Ferrari invoiced the car to Temple via Chinetti. Temple bought the car primarily for Masten Gregory's use. It took quite a while for the car to get to Gregory. First Ferrari stole it back prior to delivery and let Gendebien race it as a replacement for a team car at Monza.

    The car then went to Chinetti but before Masten could collect it and race it, Chinetti allowed or loaned it to Shelby and he raced it twice before it was finally handed over to a not so happy Masten Gregory. Temple possibly ran in himself in one or more local minor Colorado events but it was primarily Gregory's car for the Season. He did well enough with the car that Enzo offered him a spot on the Factory team the next year but Masten took such a toll on the team cars he was let go after just a year.

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    When he drove at LeMans in'65 with Rindt, I was always wondering why Rindt wasn't more criticized for wanting to do a "clutch job" (wind the engine so high it blows the clutch) on the car because he didn't like the 250LM and even dressed back into street clothes to leave the track mid-race (but didn't). I have never been on a racing team but that seems not in the racing spirit to me. On the other hand, they won so after you win,all sins are forgotten. Also one time Ed Hugus told me he volunteered to do some of the driving of the car that night though he was not on the dais when they announced the winners. Is that pretty well accepted as what happened by now?
     
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    I don't know that Ed actually drove the car in the race. I've heard this in recent years but don't believe that it is accepted as fact.
     
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    Ed told me he did when I visited him in Pebble Beach. He was a very modest man so for him to claim he did this
    was sticking his neck out. I think it had something to do with Masten not having
    good night vision. Ed was a former winner at LeMans, well liked by the French organizers and I don't know why he volunteered--maybe to put on a good show.
    I thought it was a bit surprising in that he was a Shelby Cobra dealer (Shelby's first dealer) so I think it odd that he drove the car that shut Ford's LeMans effort down that year, but maybe by 1965 he wasn't getting Cobras to sell anymore--Ford dealers had signed on by then. Anyway he was a real first glass gentleman. I made the mistake duringdiscussion of his background when he said he was a "paratrooper" when I asked "the Korean war?" and he gruffly answered something like "Hell, no -Normandy" as if that was the only war worth talking about. Hey, he looked so young my surmise was an honest mistake.
     
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    Ed Hugus won le Mans? When?
     
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    Hi Tom,

    While 0608MDTR is an early chassis number, it was one of the last 500TRs delivered and went to Munaron late in the 56 Season sometime in early July of 1956. I have no records to confirm but believe that after the 1956 Season this TR was recycled and became a client 57 500TRC, likely without the original owner's knowledge.

    0652's factory dispatch letter showed it being switched from "E" export to "GS" or "Team Use" specifically for Monza after one of the Touring Bodied team cars was damaged. Rogliatti showed me their records and I was able to get a copy of the ADS when I visited Ferrari with the car before the Mille Miglia in 1998. They red painted front wheels are pretty obvious in even the black and white photos which were on the car at the PA races with Shelby.

    The car was flown rather than boated at great expense to get it to the States in time for the next races and there are cancelled checks for these shipping expenses provided by Rick Anderson many years ago and still part of this car's extensive documentation.

    Temple sent angry telegrams to both Chinetti and Shelby when the car was not delivered to Gregory. In 97 Shelby said John Edgar had bought the car but not yet paid for it so it was loaned to him for both races by Chinetti and that he was completely unaware that it was supposed to be "Mastens" mount for the Season until the telegram got to him. He thought it was an "Honest" mistake but my experience says "business" as usual as there was always a lot of this sort of car trading and swapping going on between patrons and favored drivers with more than a few not having promised rides provided as a result.

    Hope that helps.

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    Up until now I thought it was Enzo being depicted as the Bad Guy, selling his American customers worn out cars or cars that hadn't turned out successful. Though I knew about that, which got Parravano mad, and I had heard about Chinetti renting cars to favored customers I didn't know he would rent a car already sold to someone else so that the buyer ends up getting a car that's been used up some.

    However, at the time he was scrambling to get Ferrari a foothold in America (Maserati already being here since before the war) and was tempted by the opportunities to get the cars in hands of "name"drivers who would get Ferrari attention, so that might have been his motivation. Sell the car to a rich guy who will just toodle around or rent the car to someone who's got a famous driver scheduled to race it?

    I was wrong about Hugus winning LeMans, He co-drove
    a 550 Spyder chassis 0123 to a 1500cc class win and 8th overall in the 1957 Le Mans 24 Hrs.
     
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    I had a 335 Sport that Anderson provided checks for showing early ownership. The checks were from two different woman. We really scratched our heads on that one until Bob Grossman and his wife piped in and said they were "Patrons" of Chinetti who several times over had ponied up funds to purchase cars until they were placed with a client.

    I had a 375MM that was sold to Paravano, when he went to Ferrari to collect it, he was told it was not ready... The next weekend he was back a the Factory to see if it was finally ready and watched it arrive on a truck having just returned from winning a race in Germany. He sued Ferrari and I believe may have never bought another Ferrari from the Factory again after that, instead switching mostly to Maseratis.

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    I can proudly say Temple Buell was family. He was married to my aunt June Buell and was partners with my grandfather; Adolfo Farland in Denver's Ferrari dealership in the 60's. He had many Ferraris and was good friends with Enzo. He would always order his cars to Enzo's specs because of his size. We still have a lot of trophys and pictures from his racing days with the Maseratis but sadly none of the cars. Lol! He had many other cars as well that nobody knew about....one that I recall was a Bugatti Atlantic that was burned up. It sat at the estate and was like a jungle gym for the kids until it was sold for near nothing to my understanding. Very eccentric man but truely loved the sport.
     
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    Here's a photo showing a Ferrari 250 GT Cabriolet at the dealership Farland-Buell, Inc., in Denver/CO in 1966. Farland-Buell Inc. was one of the Ferrari dealers appointed by U.S. West Coast importer MCM Modern Classic Motors (owned by William Fisk Harrah, the casino magnate).

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    I have not heard the story so much as Rindt didn't like 250LMs as it was that it was not a top line race car anymore that he felt was competitive. The LM won because everything else from Ferrari and Ford that should have won went out or was crippled.

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    WHERE did you get this!?!!!?!? Im going to email this to my grandpa! Cool!!!
     
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    The photo is from the large size 1966 MCM Modern Classic Motors brochure (yellow cover) that introduces all 10 appointed Ferrari dealers on the west coast:

    Belmont British Motors, Belmont/CA.
    Geary Chrysler Plymouth, San Francisco/CA.
    Hollywood Sports Cars, Hollywood/CA.
    Otto Zipper Motors, Beverly Hills/CA.
    Oxford Motors, Sacramento/CA.
    Rezzaghi Motors, San Francisco/CA.
    Farland-Buell, Inc., Denver/CO.
    Lloyd McKee, Albuquerque/NM.
    Ron Tonkin, Portland/OR.
    Pete Lovely Volkswagen, Inc., Tacoma/WA.

    In 1966 there were no officially appointed Ferrari dealerships in Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Utah and Arizona.
    Each of the dealerships is pictured in this brochure, sometimes with just 1 photo, sometimes with five or more. In the case of Farland-Buell, Inc., there are 3 photos in that publication. I understand the brochure is extremely rare as very few were printed. The size of the color brochure is 29 cm x 36 cm. Total pages 16, all color except one.

    Here's a second photo out of this brochure, showing the Farland-Buell dealership in Denver.

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    Interesting to comapre to the Western US list from about 1963:


    Stallings Imported Cars, Phoenix, AZ
    Otto Zipper Motors, Beverly Hills, CA
    Hollywood Sport Cars, Hollywood, CA
    Rezzaghi Motors, San Francisco, CA
    Spencer Buick, San Francisco, CA
    Moden Classic Motors, Reno, NV - still trying to determine if they were a dealer before being the distributor
     
  23. Marcel Massini

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    You may also want to consult Dean Batchelor's book about the Harrah collection. Some interesting Ferrari stuff there.

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    #24 xs29j8, Feb 23, 2012
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    Thanks for posting that photo! I have been looking for photos and other Farland-Buell dealership related material for a long time. I own a 1970 Plymouth `Cuda 440-6 (Six Pack) that was purchased new there in November of 1969, and am researching the car's history. Would it be possible to email me high resolution scans of the three photos, especially the
    one showing the front of the dealership?

    Any other photos, information, or research suggestions related to the Farland-Buell
    dealership would be appreciated! Sorry if I am taking the thread off-topic....
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    It looks like Ron Tonkin is the only one of those dealers still in business, or still a Ferrari dealer, at least-- could you post any pictures of his dealership from the brochure?
     

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