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Old 12-13-2008, 06:12 PM
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Letīs talk about Boxing

I saw Wladimir Klitschikoīs fight tonight.
Boxing has been very boring for several years.
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Is Wladimir too good for other boxers or are current boxers so bad?


P.S. Anyway, I miss 18 years old Mike Tyson. I could imagine he could just kill Wladimir or whatever.
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Old 12-13-2008, 08:17 PM
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If you are a boxing fan, I have an up coming boxer to watch for in about 2-5 years in the lightweight division. His name is Noah Zuhdi... still early in his career (18 months as a pro) but has won every fight he has had in a first round KO. He has insanely fast hands, even for a little guy and is a heavy hitter as well. As his career progresses, I am hoping that we will get see how good his endurance is...
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Old 12-13-2008, 09:18 PM
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I really didn't think He was THAT good today. VERY 2 Dimentional. Rahman Lokked REAL bad. There just isn't anybody in the Heavyweight division Anymore.
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Old 12-13-2008, 09:23 PM
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I quit watching when Mike Tyson and Prince Naseem Hamed started getting their butt's kicked.
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Old 12-13-2008, 09:59 PM
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I remember watching all of Tyson's fights in college (me, not him)--there was nothing like him in his prime. And he seemed to fight every few months, too. I am by no means a boxing historian, and I never watched any early greats, but I can't imagine any of them being more savage than Tyson. Not that some of them couldn't have out-fought him. But he was unbelievable to watch those first few years.
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Old 12-14-2008, 03:48 AM
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Well, I was a boxing fan.
When I was young, I compared Lennox Lewis with Mike Tyson.
Boxing has been an unpopular sport since UFC or K-1 was founded (at least in Southkorea)
When Lennox Lewis or Mike Tyson had to fight, I saw all of the Korean newspapers that covered their coming up fights as biggest issues and titles.
But nowadays, nobody is informed who fought against who. Neighter newspapers nor internet websites like daum.net never publish their fights.

I think, other countries also do not care about boxing anymore.
I have been in Germany since 2001 and Germany is only interested in boxing when Klitischikos fight because they are half Germans.
boxing is losing and losing its popularity. Sad.
My father who was a boxing fan and Mike Tysonīs fan, asks me whether Fedor Emalienenko or Vanderlei Silva won or not.
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Old 12-14-2008, 04:36 PM
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IMO, I think Tyson (in his prime) Was the best fighter EVER. I really do. My FAVORITE was Ray Leonard. But Tyson was the best!!!!!!! Other Opinions I know, will be posted after this!!!!
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:47 AM
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Watch out for David Haye. Just moved up to the heavyweight division and being an undisputed cruiserweight champ. Apparently theres a fight between him and Vitali Klishko (not so sure on the spelling sorry) in the pipeline. Haye beat Monte Barrett well 2 weeks ago in his 1st proper heavyweight fight.
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Old 12-16-2008, 11:41 AM
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1. I think Don King messed up boxing.

2. People are playing basketball, not practicing boxing.

3. Remember there were a few years there when it seemed every fight was judged wrong.

Bad press all together.
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Old 12-16-2008, 01:45 PM
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... I'm sure MMA's rise & relative popularity first & foremost has affected pro boxing's notoriety from a consumer's perspective, as well as the bottom-line.

Not to mention there isn't an enigmatic/mainstream draw in the mold of a pre-Holyfield Mike Tyson in the most marketable division: heavyweight. . .

Pro boxing, much like vehicles produced by the domestic Big-3, if a desirable product is offered - the masses will surely follow. . .

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IMO, I think Tyson (in his prime) Was the best fighter EVER. I really do. My FAVORITE was Ray Leonard. But Tyson was the best!!!!!!! Other Opinions I know, will be posted after this!!!!
This isn't meant as an insult, but I assume you started following boxing more recently (e.g., the Tyson era). This is clearly a subjective discussion, so your opinion counts as much as anyone's, but to answer 2 questions at once - Tyson dominated against tomato cans as does Klitschko today.

The best heavyweight fighter I ever saw, bar none, was Muhammed Ali. Now, I only remember the tail end of his career, but I do remember the heavyweight division during that time.

There were "second tier" guys like Earnie Shavers, who was credited as being the hardest puncher EVER by Ali, Norton, and Holmes. The names are a who's who of greats: Joe Frazier (a monster), George Forman (a monster), Ken Norton (a monster), etc....get the idea? These guys beat the crap out of each other, and given that I've watched boxing for more than 30 years, they'd likely all take out Tyson in their prime. At the top of that heap was Muhammed Ali, who despite not being the biggest, clearly was the smartest, the most skilled, best all around heavyweight at the time.

I so thoroughly disliked Tyson primarily for his hype, and his coronation by the media that he was the best. I always felt an unitimidated fighter would destroy him, and Holyfield proved to be that person. Tyson was exposed and never the same. Muhammed Ali, even when beaten, avenged his losses and avenged them dominantly. Most rankings have him top-10 ALL TIME P4P!

Now, any top-10 list must include Marvelous Marvin Hagler (one of my all-time faves), Sugar Ray Leonard (who, IMHO, was beaten by Hagler!), and Joe Louis. I've seen all of them fight (other than Lewis), and I am hard pressed to think of many in the modern day that match these guys.

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The Heavyweight division has been a little stale for a while now!!
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The Heavyweight division has been a little stale for a while now!!
Spice it up! You can take that homo Klitchko!
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Spice it up! You can take that homo Klitchko!
Well, I *am* a little rusty!!

Havent had a fight in many years actually. Getting too old for that now, but I can still throw a few.

Klitchko would be a hard man to beat!! A big man, with a big reach, but some HARD PAP punches to his mid-section will soon chop him down to size.

The bigger they are.......the harder they fall.
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Old 12-19-2008, 06:03 PM
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This isn't meant as an insult, but I assume you started following boxing more recently (e.g., the Tyson era). This is clearly a subjective discussion, so your opinion counts as much as anyone's, but to answer 2 questions at once - Tyson dominated against tomato cans as does Klitschko today.

The best heavyweight fighter I ever saw, bar none, was Muhammed Ali. Now, I only remember the tail end of his career, but I do remember the heavyweight division during that time.

There were "second tier" guys like Earnie Shavers, who was credited as being the hardest puncher EVER by Ali, Norton, and Holmes. The names are a who's who of greats: Joe Frazier (a monster), George Forman (a monster), Ken Norton (a monster), etc....get the idea? These guys beat the crap out of each other, and given that I've watched boxing for more than 30 years, they'd likely all take out Tyson in their prime. At the top of that heap was Muhammed Ali, who despite not being the biggest, clearly was the smartest, the most skilled, best all around heavyweight at the time.

I so thoroughly disliked Tyson primarily for his hype, and his coronation by the media that he was the best. I always felt an unitimidated fighter would destroy him, and Holyfield proved to be that person. Tyson was exposed and never the same. Muhammed Ali, even when beaten, avenged his losses and avenged them dominantly. Most rankings have him top-10 ALL TIME P4P!

Now, any top-10 list must include Marvelous Marvin Hagler (one of my all-time faves), Sugar Ray Leonard (who, IMHO, was beaten by Hagler!), and Joe Louis. I've seen all of them fight (other than Lewis), and I am hard pressed to think of many in the modern day that match these guys.
Boy, We don't see eye to eye on this sport at all. I got into boxing around the Ali/Norton era. I'm a HUGE fan and have OVER 1000 fights on video. So, i'm definitley a historian and do train the sport for years! But again an opinion is an opinion. And I'm NOT saying you are wrong. It's just I don't see it and WE (the world) will NEVER know the truth. I feel Tyson (as much as I DID hate him too) only had difficulty with much bigger fighters. Ali (as much as I do think the WORLD of him) was at the MOST an average size HWT. Ali had a tough time with Frazier, and Tyson was (IMO) a lot better than Frazier. But that's not the only reason I feel Tyson was better than Ali. The way he won fights were SCARY. EVERYONE FEARED him. Ali wasn't as feared. But, You are right, there wasn't a better era in the HWT. division. I give Ali credit 4 that too. But Ali just wouldn't have beaten Tyson in his prime. I guess this disscusion could and WILL go on FOREVER! Now... To my Ray Leonard! He DID beat Hagler. I've watched that fight (back then) atleast 10 - 12 times with a group of fighters and we evaluated EVERY round. The fight itself WAS close. But, What Leonard did to Hagler NO MAN has done before. You have to give him credit for that! He came out of retirement and did that to the P4P best fighter in the world. He made Hagler look average in that fight. Leonard always knew he could beat Hagler. Styles make fights and I think Haglers game plan was wrong. I think he didn't expect Leonard to have that type of gameplan. Anyway, enjoyed the friendly debate. Just my Opinion...
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Old 12-19-2008, 06:29 PM
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Tyson was the most feared boxer EVER!!

He was ferocious in his younger days. He was young and hungry for the title!! The youngest HW Champ ever, there is no denying his strong desire to be the best and crush every opponent placed in front of him. You had to have balls to step in the ring with him in his prime.

I am a little younger than you young fellas, but I am also HUGE boxing fan!! From Ali to Tyson.........Sugar Ray to Roy Jones Jr, I have loved boxing since I can remember. Growing up as a kid reading about Tyson was very cool. We were not fortunate enough to have Pay TV in Mount Isa back then, so I the only time I could watch his fights was when he made the news for crushing another opponent.

I grew up during the Tyson 'era'. He was a monster one of the BEST fighters of all time.

Boxing has had many legends and you probably cant name just one fighter as the best ever because there are certainly many guys that fall into that catergory.
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First, Don King and Bob Arum both sucked the life out of boxing, along with other things. For instance, Bob Arum/Top Rank pocketed Evel Knievel's take from Snake River broadcast.
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I'm a HUGE fan and have OVER 1000 fights on video.
Hiya, Armen! I really, really enjoy replays of "old" fights.

What's your Top Ten list of best bouts, ever?
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